Option selling. Too good to continue?

Discussion in 'Options' started by draft730, Dec 31, 2019.

  1. Pkay

    Pkay

    Good points. For a newbie starting out in options would you say that spreads are the best way to go rather than just being long?
     
    #191     Jan 5, 2020
  2. Pkay

    Pkay

    Do you just buy call and put options for your directional bets?
     
    #192     Jan 5, 2020
  3. ironchef

    ironchef

    Yes, but if I am not sure about the direction, and when I think conditions are right, I write calls or puts.
     
    #193     Jan 5, 2020
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  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    Spreads didn't work well for me.
     
    #194     Jan 5, 2020
  5. taowave

    taowave

    Did you ever ratio, up to a max of 1 x 2 to cut down on theta??

     
    #195     Jan 5, 2020
  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    No, never thought of doing that.

    Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look.
     
    #196     Jan 5, 2020
  7. Herkfsu

    Herkfsu

    Tao, thanks for posting this research. Goldman laid it out nicely. I would be curious to know how much of those returns come from the interest on 1m treasuries that the collateral is being invested in. If selling 20D puts only resulted in a 5% return, when t 1m was ~4% for at least half of this testing period, then I would assume a good chunk of those gains were from interest alone. Meaning, when you lever up the gains don't increase linearly(and sharp drops dramatically). Would you agree?
     
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    #197     Jan 12, 2020
  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    This is very similar to the CBOE Put-Write index:

    https://www.cboe.com/publish/micropdf/CBOE-SP500-One-Week-PutWrite-WPUT-Methodology-Paper.pdf

    http://www.cboe.com/micro/buywrite/bondarenko-oleg-putwrite-putw-2019.pdf

    For most of us retails, the result is not worth the effort unless we can automate the trade. If we automate the trade, we might just as well buy the Put-Write index. We want to shoot for outsize returns doing it ourselves . The only way to do it mechanically is through leverage which then leads to blow up.

    The angle on selectively write is the key to getting an edge. For that it is a very excellent article. Friend who wrote puts for a living for over a decade essentially found his edge in a similar fashion.

    Regards,
     
    #198     Jan 12, 2020
  9. But then again, if you know how to selectively pick up your spots and strikes (based on some suggested fundamentals) then you might as well go out-right for the spot .. better edge there than capping the potential gains..
     
    #199     Jan 12, 2020
  10. NVM
     
    #200     Jan 12, 2020