Option selling. Too good to continue?

Discussion in 'Options' started by draft730, Dec 31, 2019.

  1. Wheezooo

    Wheezooo

    Eddie said it perfectly. The market-maker is just the bookie. The casino at the craps table. Your mistake is not having a conflicting opinion. Your mistake is crossing his bid-offer and starting at a deficit to fair value.
     
    #121     Jan 3, 2020
  2. draft730

    draft730

    Probably...You overpay by 0.25, but the fair value is overvalued 10 times that due to skewness
     
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    #122     Jan 3, 2020
  3. Wheezooo

    Wheezooo

    Yes, I forgot. skewness is a mispricing. (I'll assume you meant overvalued and not overrated). Thank you for reminding me.
     
    #123     Jan 3, 2020
  4. draft730

    draft730

    ok. All the curses and the jealousy paid off... (joking)
    I am down 3k today and I am scaling back significantly...
     
    #124     Jan 3, 2020
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  5. draft730

    draft730

    Your welcome. Thank you for reminding me that the market maker has an edge
     
    #125     Jan 3, 2020
  6. traider

    traider

    Is there evidence or study supporting that skew is overvalued 10x?
     
    #126     Jan 3, 2020
  7. drcruz

    drcruz



    This might not be proof, but there is a discussion on how much skew there is way OTM
     
    #127     Jan 3, 2020
  8. taowave

    taowave

    Goldman had a research paper ,The Art of selling Puts..

    http://optionsoffice.ru/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Goldman-Sachs_The-art-of-put-selling.pdf

    Its a bit old,and vol was higher so returns were higher than they would be today.The study was a 10 year period,selling ATM vol.The returns were less that the market,but volatility was lower producing a higher Sharpe.

    The paper also looked at selling OTM puts.It reduces returns

    Selling further out-of-the-money (OTM) puts increased the Sharpe ratio of the strategy, but reduced the absolute annual returns. We studied selling puts on all stocks in the S&P 500 at strike prices based on their moneyness (ATM to 15%OTM), their sensitivity to stock price moves (20-delta to 70-delta), and a target premium collected (1%- 3% per month).

    The bottom line is premium sellers that take the leverage that the OP did have more guts than brains.I did exactly the same early on,and,mercifully it was not my money.Selling the garbage is the newbie/lazy mans way of approaching the market..







     
    #128     Jan 3, 2020
  9. drcruz

    drcruz

    Yes, absolutely buy what you posted. My understanding is the relative change in IV (strike to strike) way OTM compared to ATM is larger and can be seen on the skew graph
     
    #129     Jan 3, 2020
  10. Wheezooo

    Wheezooo

    Also, very iffy to analyze options in that manner, as it entirely ignores dynamic hedging. Law of big numbers might make it less terrible, but still a failed methodology. I've had many a days I walked away with a big smile watching my long OTM's go more OTM.
     
    #130     Jan 3, 2020