Understand this: Giuliani is ten times the fascist of our current president. If he wins, pack your bags, because this country is fucking DONE. Even that deceitful bitch Hillary is preferable over Rudy the fascist, although she will NEVER become president. Not a snowballs chance in hell. Never ever ever... Giuliani shows all the hallmark traits of the authoritarian. He gets off on making rules for the sake of making rules, and then forcing others to obey (or else). He pursues persecution for its own sake, as evidenced by his witch hunt against Boesky & Milken. Giuliani selects human targets and then proceeds to hunt them down, scouring the books for obscure laws to use as ammunition. He especially enjoys enforcing drug prohibition- a nice fun way for any fascist to oppress others under the guise of 'enforcing laws'. Bar owners are another favorite target, and Guiliani is documented to have sent squads of literally dozens of his city goons to enforce obscure 'no dancing' regulations, 'inspecting' places of business with a fine tooth comb in order to 'find something' out of code, and then dishing out heavy penalties to the proprietors for the sole purpose of Giuliani's self-gratification. People like him are only good for one thing: Restoring law & order where there is complete anarchy. He would have been useful in post-Katrina New Orleans, provided he be whisked away the moment the situation got under control. Prof, I could easily see guys like you putting this thug into the White House, but I'm warning you: If you make that mistake, you will regret it more than anything. And don't think; "I'm not doing anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about". Guys like Giuliani will always FIND something 'illegal' to hang you with, no matter how clean you think you are. If you support this fascist, you have no idea how big a mistake you'd be making. It would be THE END of the United States of America. I am <b>right</b> about this, and hopefully you won't have to find that out the hard way!
Wow . . . I agree with a majority of this. I started this tread to see if I could stimulate discussion. ZZZzzzzz, I'm impressed. Your arguments are sound. Thank You. As I said earlier . . . my vote is still looking for a home and as you put it, a public servant" to place it on. I hope one floats to the top. I would vote for a woman in a heartbeat too, if one would show up that wasn't self serving.
Political discussion always brings out a lot of passion. This is one of your most coherent posts RM. Thanks. Definately more food for thought. I'm thinking I need to re-evaluate things. I made the identical statement regarding Bush, "It would be THE END of the United States of America", before he was put into office.
Ron Paul. Check him out. Of course he'll get slaughtered. But he's the only candidate worth voting for.
Bush was not the end of America, but the damage done is another nail in the coffin. Rudy would nail another one in if given the type of power the presidency now has... Rudy's Dark Side: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17014713/site/newsweek/
Rudy Giuliani's Vulnerabilities Secret study cited "weirdness factor" among candidate weaknesses FEBRUARY 12--As he campaigns for the Republican presidential nomination, Rudolph Giuliani will have to contend with political and personal baggage unknown to prospective supporters whose knowledge of the former New York mayor is limited to his post-September 11 exploits. So, in a bid to educate the electorate, we're offering excerpts from a remarkable "vulnerability study" that was commissioned by Giuliani's campaign prior to his successful 1993 City Hall run. The confidential 450-page report, authored by Giuliani's research director and another aide, was the campaign's attempt to identify possible lines of attack against Giuliani and prepare the candidate and his staff to counter "the kinds of no-holes-barred assault" expected in a general election rematch with Democratic incumbent David Dinkins. As he tried to win election in an overwhelmingly Democratic city, Giuliani needed "inoculating against" the "Reagan Republican moniker," the vulnerability study reported. "The Giuliani campaign should emphasize its candidate's independence from traditional national Republican policies." The final six words of that sentence are underlined in the study. Additionally, the Giuliani report noted that the candidate needed to make it clear to voters that he was "pretty good on most issues of concern to gay and lesbian New Yorkers" and was pro-choice and supported public funding for abortion. "He will continue city funding for abortions at city hospitals. Nothing more, nothing less." Giuliani's stance on these issues, of course, may leave him vulnerable today with an entirely different electorate. The campaign study was obtained by The Village Voice's Wayne Barrett in the course of preparing "Rudy!," an investigative biography of Giuliani. In its preface, the study notes that it is "tough and hard-hitting. It pulls no punches." Perhaps that is why Giuliani, as Barrett reported, ordered copies of the vulnerability study destroyed shortly after it was circulated to top campaign aides. He surely could not have been pleased to read that his "personal life raises questions about a 'weirdness factor.'" That weirdness, aides reported, stemmed from Giuliani's 14-year marriage to his second cousin, a union that he got annulled by claiming to have never received proper dispensation from the Catholic Church for the unorthodox nuptials. "When asked about his personal life, Giuliani gives a wide array of conflicting answers," the campaign report stated. "All of this brings the soundness of his judgement into question--and the veracity of his answers." The internal study also addresses prospective charges that Giuliani dodged the Vietnam draft and was a "man without convictions" because of his transformation from George McGovern voter to a Reagan-era Justice Department appointee. "In many ways Rudy Giuliani is a political contradiction...He doesn't really fit with the Republicans. Too liberal. Giuliani has troubles with the Democrats, too." On the following pages, you'll find the vulnerability report's cover and preface and sections on Reagan Republicanism, women and abortion, Giuliani's first marriage and divorce, draft dodging, gay issues, racial polarization, and his party registration "flip-flop." (27 pages) This link takes you to the website the above came from: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0212072giuliani1.html The link below takes you to 27 pages worth reading if you are open to 'a remarkable "vulnerability study" that was commissioned by Giuliani's campaign prior to his successful 1993 City Hall run.' http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0212072giuliani2.html
I have spoken also to cops & businessmen and some natives who actually read the stats back then. Rudy is a fascist sadistical nazi, nothing more. Probably the first and only mayor to establish what can be called a "police state". His success against crime was nothing more than pure bullsh*t and juking the stats. Actually, almost all of it was juking the stats and it is easily documented. What he allowed the cops to do and with FULL SUPPORT is just truly sad. It amazes me that anyone with half a brain will still support Rudy, it almost sickens me. His economic upheaval, pure nonsense, mostly Dinkins policies conitinuing on along with the nationwide trend in major urban areas, on top of real estate jumping back, Fed pumping up money supply and foreign investment redirecting itself toward USA (NYC is always an obvious frontier for that). If Rudy gets elected, and judging from the opinion of this forum, he has a good chance, expect a police state nationwide. Don't forget, Rudy is ALWAYS on the side of the police, even when it's his own staff being harassed & violated. Seriously people, do some research, there is a ton more of what went on under Rudy's administration. The best is the irony of how he "cleaned up" corruption.
Actually he might - by shipping all welfare recipients off to Guantanomo Bay; punishing medicare fraud by violent insertion of police truncheons into suspected offenders bottoms; harrassing homeless people, that kind of thing.