Opening Orders - 2008

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Don Bright, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. gehko

    gehko

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    Monthly Objective Recap:

    Month 1 (May) - Complete framework programming and build basic plan for automating opening orders. Observe P and L for possible tweaking for month 2.

    Month 2 (June) - Increase win/loss ratio while decreasing risk/exposure. Automate blocking for news/earnings while still observing their role on probabilities. Devise a money management plan and apply it in month 3.

    Month 3 (July) - Apply a money management plan and adjust risk based on volatility and probability.



    Month 3 Results:

    Without Money Management
    * W/L Ratio: 2.79
    * Avg Gain Per Trade: $213.34
    * Avg Loss Per Trade: $-512.96
    * Std Dev of Daily Win/Loss: $2242.33
    * Max Day Win: $3780.00
    * Max Day Loss: $-4950.00
    * Total P/L: $6626.00


    With Money Management
    * W/L Ratio: 2.87
    * Avg Gain Per Trade: $90.32
    * Avg Loss Per Trade: $-180.58
    * Std Dev of Daily Win/Loss: $756.87
    * Max Day Win: $1605.00
    * Max Day Loss: $-1223.00
    * Total P/L: $6056.00



    Conclusion:

    With money management the variance of daily profits to losses was lower and it kept me out of some bad trades due to there risk being outside my parameters, hence a slightly better W/L ratio. Although it lowered my profit and loss per day considerably over no money management, my monthly total profit and loss only suffered ~$-600.00 and the draw downs were far less severe.



    Whats next:

    I would like to see a lower variance between my trade profit and trade loss, so i am going to try and work on a plan to adjust it. With the current ratio at about 1:2 ($win:$loss) i would like to see it down to at least 1:1.5 or ideally >1:1 while still keeping my trade w/l ratio in check.


    see you next month,
    ~g
     
    #961     Jul 31, 2008
  2. Great analysis of your trading. Really impressive and detailed. Can I ask you how many shares you are trading to get that $6K number? Thanks.
     
    #962     Jul 31, 2008
  3. I'm having an interesting experience with these opening orders, forgot to post I took a small loss with T the other day because it moved .03 against me lol, then shot up about .20. So far I like GE.

    Two things I am seeing, one is that I am trying to be very patient with this tactic, and I want to see how it "works" under different market conditions.

    The other is that it proves you can lead a horse to water but not make them drink, considering this thread has been here for years. I wouldn't have even tried this tactic but just the fact that I was filled at 28.52 which is a price I can't even see in my qoutes is very interesting and I do think a real edge.

    One final question, thanks for the help, can anyone suggest some other behemoths to do the opening with similar to GE?
     
    #963     Jul 31, 2008
  4. Did not post wrap up last month cuz I only traded 7-8 days. Finished flat.

    Month of july wrap up:
    28 longs, 23 shorts
    5300 shares traded, yes only that :eek:
    0.07$ per share on average, min -0.12, max 0.31.
    Played 18 days in the month
    Only 5 days down.
    Average fill rate: 18%
    Average fills per day; 2.83, min 0, max 13
    Still on small size.
     
    #964     Jul 31, 2008
  5. gehko

    gehko

    It varies per stock based off of my plan, but total round trip shares for the month was about 300,000 i.e. [150k BOT] + [150k SOLD] = 300k .

    Thanks for the question,
    ~g

     
    #965     Aug 1, 2008
  6. VinMan

    VinMan

    14 wins, 3 Losses

    Avg win 6c, Avg loss 11c (includes both sides of trade)
     
    #966     Aug 1, 2008
  7. Great start to the month! Best opening in a while for this strategy...

    11 fills, all short, all winners

    Average 16.7 cents per fill, +1288
     
    #967     Aug 1, 2008
  8. Still could not make my spreadsheet to work properly this morning. Testing my nerves.
    1 manual fill at last minute, short winner +0.24
     
    #968     Aug 1, 2008
  9. Agree, best day for a while...seemed like expiration with a lot of fills & all winners
    4 fills short all winners GE being the best, also got PFE T & TWX average +8 cent
     
    #969     Aug 1, 2008
  10. I got nice trades in PFE and T, but I didn't adjust GE for the premarket range (on purpose just to be a stickler). So I was filled long at 28.60 and got hammered for what should've been a nice short trade for +.20. But, why I am just testing this with small size. Slow and steady.

    PFE and T were nice tho.
     
    #970     Aug 1, 2008