Open Borders Slime, at it again

Discussion in 'Politics' started by LT701, Oct 11, 2007.

  1. Australia? If you're going there you'll still have to learn another language, or at least learn how to ululate; Australia's being taken over by militant Muslims.

    #11     Oct 14, 2007
  2. Technically, they are enforcing the law; they're just doing it in a completely ineffectual manner. Good luck prosecuting them for that, given that they do everything in a completely ineffectual manner.
    #12     Oct 14, 2007
  3. achilles28


    Funny. But a bit of a cop out.

    Government is highly efficient at prosecuting felonies and tax enforcement.

    The departmental beaucracies may be ineffectual.

    But insofar as felonious criminal matters - where damning evidence exists - they are very swift to engage and enforce.

    Off the top of my head, some charges that have legs:

    Criminal Negligence
    Criminal Negligence (Gross)
    Malfeasance in office
    #13     Oct 14, 2007
  4. Cesko


    Government is highly efficient at prosecuting felonies and tax enforcement.

    First and foremost goal of any bureaucracy is to preserve itself.
    #14     Oct 14, 2007
  5. I can't see any of those charges sticking, 28; the defense canl be "We're doing the best we can with the resources allotted to us." . Also, the structure of government is such that trying to fix blame on particular individuals would be all but impossible and, for practical reasons, you can't prosecute an entire government agency whether or not there's a legal basis for doing so.

    In any case, except for treason, I believe all those charges are state matters and the states would have difficulty prosecuting federal officials. Selling sloppy border policing as treason would never go; any accused would say "OK, maybe I'm not up to the job, but I'm ready to step down if you have somebody better suited to work with our limited resources" etc., etc., etc.

    The only hope of improving the situation lies in voting out the bums, but then you have to hope the crew that replaces the bums doesn't turn out to be just a different bunch of bums.
    #15     Oct 14, 2007
  6. Bingo.
    #16     Oct 14, 2007
  7. A failure by the Executive Branch, ie the President, to enforce valid laws is not a matter that citizens can take to court, unless you can make some sort of Equal Protection or Due Process argument. For example, if the IRS only prosecuted Republicans, then there might be a claim that it was a denial of Equal Protection. In general however, the type of failure we're talking aobut here can only be addressed politically, eg by voting or by an impeachment proceeding. The latter of course has to be initiated by the House of Representatives.

    Federal officials can be prosecuted by states for crimes they commit in the course of their duties, for example an assault, but not for a general failure to do their jobs properly. States have sued the federal government for expenses incurred in dealing with illegal immigrants, such as medical care. I am not aware how these suits have turned out.
    #17     Oct 15, 2007