Oops! Sorry little guy, Obama screws you again.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ChkitOut, Sep 30, 2010.

  1. This may surprise you, but most residents of Miami have never been to Cuba and the ones who were there were from a distinct political upper class. Additionally, it's changed a lot since the 60's when they had tens of thousands of political prisoners in jail. Now it's actually more politically lenient, although still imho oppressive, despite them only having a few dozen political prisoners in jail and allowing limited private enterprise.

    But that's really got nothing to do with the conversation which was that more laissez faire systems are not as strong in terms of quality of life measures than more mixed systems.
     
    #81     Oct 2, 2010
  2. Are you as clueless as you seem? Cubans fled here in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and today. For every doctor who came to Miami in 1961 there's been 100 laborers since. If Cuba is paradise then why are Cubans STILL trying to enter the U.S.? You don't see Dominicans coming here. From today's Herald:

    "Until Sept. 1, Lara, a retired Havana teacher, boosted her meager pension by reselling the four cigarette packs she bought each month with her government-subsidized ration card.

    Lara, 73 and a non-smoker, bought them for 11 pesos and sold them on the street for 31, a 20-peso bump to her 260-peso retirement income -- roughly $10.83 a month.

    ``It was a pittance, but critical to surviving,'' she said. ``But now they've removed the cigarettes from the ration card. What am I do? Go hungry! You can't live in Cuba on 260 pesos.''


    Government officials concede it covers only half of a person's monthly food consumption, but most Cubans say it covers no more than one third. The rest must be bought, at much higher prices, at farmers' markets or the illegal black market.

    In an island where the average monthly wage stands at 429 pesos and the average pension at 262 pesos -- about $20 and $10.50, respectively -- the rations' cuts have been hard felt.

    ``The ration card was barely enough to live on if I had a glass of sugared water for breakfast and a piece of bread for lunch ... ``If they keep cutting it, I'm going to starve to death,'' Lara said by phone from Havana. She asked that she not be further identified to avert government retaliation.

    In the past year, potatoes and peas were taken off the card and their prices soared -- potatoes from about 30 cents to about two pesos a pound, and peas from 10-20 cents to 3.50 pesos per pound. Cigarettes, allocated to all those 54 and older, were removed from the card on Sept. 1.


    Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/...ts-in-government-subsidies.html#ixzz11L6qjvmt




     
    #82     Oct 3, 2010
  3. Nobody's saying that Cuba isn't poor. Nor is anyone claiming that there haven't been many boat people over the years. And Dominicans, fyi, do illegally immigrate and in fact tens of thousands have illegally immigrated to Puerto Rico.

    So your two points are irrelevant, and your third point is incorrect. Quality of life is a different measure from immigration or poverty. If you're an infant you're more likely to survive in Cuba than in many other Latin American countries. That's a significant difference (although not factored into HDI as far as I know.)

    The idea that laissez-faire economies always result in a superior quality of life is statistically wrong and provably wrong.
     
    #83     Oct 3, 2010
  4. Yep, you heard it here first folks!! From the guy who says that laissez faire economies produce worse outcome than socialist ("mixed")economies: Poverty has nothing to do with quality of life!! Guess we can tell all of the left wing fruitcakes over here that they can quit crusading against it in america now... Whew!!

    Maybe one of these days he'll figure out that laissez faire economies ARE mixed... or maybe my optimism is in vain...

     
    #84     Oct 3, 2010
  5. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    :D LOL
     
    #85     Oct 3, 2010
  6. Here, I'll blow your mind again: "Quality of life is a different measure from immigration or poverty."

    But if you need to stuff the words "Poverty has nothing to do with quality of life" into my mouth to make yourself feel good, knock yourself out. But seriously, is that the stupidest thing you could come up with for me to have said? It's not very creative. How about "Cuba is dah greatest countri evar!" or "I love the Saddam Hussein! Arf!" or something with "Freedom," "Patriot" or "Tree of Liberty" in it? Or, "I'm voting Republican because I want to see a balanced budget!" Or anything with the search tag "phenomena?" :)

    One key aspect of "quality of life" measures is the measuring of "life" or life expectancy (along with education as well as wealth.) So, strangely enough, it's considered a better quality of life to not be dead than to be richer. For example, the infant I previously brought up which lived in a country with greater levels of prenatal care such as Cuba or Uruguay and thus survives, would be considered to have a greater quality of life than an infant in a more lassaiz-faire state like Alabama which the public chooses to let die rather than supply easily available, extensive, thorough and subsidized prenatal care. I know, it's just crazy, but that's how quality of life measures work.
     
    #86     Oct 3, 2010
  7. Bigdave understands Cuba have many problems. I do not think Bigdave try to promote socialism of Cuba as success in everything. What Bigdave can see is for so much scarcity, Cuba did educate all people, and provide health care to all people. He can acknowledge that success and not be the communist.
    Right now you have Brazil moving forward very fast. A country with rich in natural resources. But what do they neglect in the past so their (own people) can benefit from private enterprise? Education.
    And like the whole world have setback from this global recession (capitalist or socialist countrys) Cuba lose so much money from 2007 to now when the price for nickel go very, very low from the high of 2007.
     
    #87     Oct 3, 2010
  8. How will you know that being "anally raped" is bad...unless you are anally raped??? How is that a materially different statement than "We have to pass the bill, so that you know what is in the bill?"

    Where are the f'ing liberals on this one...where is the "moral outrage" of the "left???" The left is a bunch of worthless, morally bankrupt pieces of dung! They have NOT shown themselves to be anything other than anti-societal sh!t!!! Watch this one CLOSELY middle-of-the-roaders and right wingers... If George W. Bush had said to the American public, "We need to pass the Patriot Act. It is only after passing the Patriot Act that the American public will know how much safer they are by the beloved workings of the Patriot Act."

    Watch the worthless pieces of crap libs reply along the lines of: "Well G. W. Bush did...blah, blah..." or the libs will respond along the lines of "we need to give up a little freedom, to be a bit safer!"

    The above statements "supporting" G. W. Bush are WORTHLESS!!! The useless, idiotic, so called "left" does not want to open its eyes and see that true conservatives (including many on the "religious right") - see NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BUSH AND OBAMA!!! Talking a$$hatS from MSNBC can say what they want to support liberalism, but the truth is...the Tea Party is NOT PALIN, the Tea Party is NOT BECK!!! The Tea Party is (and not necessarily doing it well) trying to represent FREEDOM FROM GOVERNMENT!!! I know this flies in the face of liberalism that thinks that all freedoms and "rights" are derived from the "government," but the left does NOT want to see that the "right-wing" views our freedoms as coming from a HIGHER SOURCE than some jacka$$ politicians.

    To the left wing that does NOT want to think I say: "Please die soon!!!! You are worthless and an enemy of the people!!!" That statement will have blocked off many "left-wingers," but if you ACTUALLY READ THE STATEMENT I WROTE, than you will see that I want the part of the left that does NOT THINK GONE!!!! THINKING LEFT-WINGERS STAY AROUND!!! - we can debate "some policy," but the "debating ground" has to be thought. To the "right" that does not think...please shut up and hide! You do NOT do the "right" a service by speaking....Ms. O'donell PLEASE NOTE!!!

    -gastropod
     
    #88     Oct 4, 2010
  9. ??? What's your beef with her? Ideally, regardless of her few whacky notions, she should win the seat. She should be voted in based upon "how she is likely to vote". That is (a) she is likely to vote AGAINST Leftist Agenda bills, (b) she's likely to vote FOR Tea Party principles... and her whacky notions are likely to NEVER come to vote. THAT'S why she should win the seat.

    Senators don't have to lead, plan, nor govern. They don't even have to be smart. They should be elected based upon how they are likely to vote.
     
    #89     Oct 4, 2010
  10. Infants in Alabama the public chooses to let die? Oh please. Wrong again littledaviedumbass.

    http://www.medicaid.state.al.us/programs/maternity_care/maternity_main.aspx
     
    #90     Oct 4, 2010