Ooops! Everyone re-do your costs for Global "Warming"

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Xspurt, Dec 2, 2009.

  1. Mnphats

    Mnphats


    I agree people believe what they are predisposed too. Do you think people have been predisposed more to gobal cooling or global warming?

    We have went so far as to make a movie for kids about global warming. Happy Feet.
     
    #31     Dec 2, 2009
  2. Mnphats

    Mnphats


    Scientist should look at the entire data set. Especially one that used public money and public employees.
     
    #32     Dec 2, 2009
  3. Researchers are calling for Professor Jones to be banned from contributing to agenda-setting United Nations reports.

    Eduardo Zorita, an expert in European climate trends, said that future reports from the UN's International Panel of Climate Change would lack credibility if Professor Jones was involved in their compilation.

    As director of the University of East Anglia's prestigious Climatic Research Unit, the professor has provided temperature data key to previous reports used by governments around the world when setting climate change policy.

    Dr Zorita also said that the content of thousands of emails and documents stolen from the University of East Anglia's computer system and published on the internet confirmed that some global warming research was riddled with 'machination, conspiracies and collusion'.

    He and colleague Hans von Storch were mentioned in more than 30 documents, with one email referring to Professor von Storch as 'frankly an odd individual'.

    Other emails have been seized on by climate change sceptics as evidence that researchers have been manipulating raw data and discussing ways of evading Freedom on Information requests.

    In one of the most damaging emails, Professor Jones seems to suggest using a 'trick' to massage years of temperature data to 'hide the decline'.

    In another, he appears to respond to news of the death of climate sceptic John Daly with the words 'in an odd way this is cheering news!'

    Others show British researchers apparently dismissing the work of scientists challenging the global warming orthodoxy as 'crap' and a top American climatologist admitting it was a 'travesty' that scientists could not account for the lack of global warming in recent years.

    Dr Zorita, of the Institute for Coastal Research in Geesthacht in northern Germany, is an expert in climate change over the past 1,000 years and contributed to the most recent IPCC report.

    He said that he was aware that his call for Professor Jones and others who wrote controversial emails to be banned from contributing to future reports could harm his career, but 'the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible any more'.

    He said: 'I can confirm what has been written in other places: research in some areas of climate science has been and is full of machination, conspiracies and collusion, as any reader can interpret from the CRU files.

    'The scientific debate has been in many instances hijacked to advance other agendas.'

    The researcher added although he does not believe that manmade climate is a hoax, he and other researchers have been ‘bullied and subtly blackmailed’ to fit in the scientific mainstream.

    'In this atmosphere, PhD students are often tempted to tweak their data so as to fit the "politically correct picture",' he said.

    'Some, or many, issues about climate change are still not well known. Policy makers should be aware of these attempts to hide these uncertainties under a unified picture.'

    The comments come in the wake of Professor Jones's decision to stand down from his university work while an independent investigation is carried out.

    The professor said that he 'absolutely' stands by the science produced by the centre - and that suggestions of a conspiracy to boost the evidence for man-made global warming were 'complete rubbish'.

    Issues to be probed include data security and whether the university responded to Freedom of Information requests.

    However, the university was tonight unable to confirm if the data that appears to have been manipulated will be reanalysed.

    Environmental chemist Professor Peter Liss will become acting director and further details of the review will be released 'within days'.

    Professor von Storch, director of the Institute of Coastal research, said: 'This is a brave act on the side of Phil Jones and may be the only way to restore his authority as an excellent scientist.

    'What is left for Phil Jones to do is to restrain from doing review work for journals, and, of course, he should stay away from the IPCC and similar assessment exercises.'

    He added that the investigation should be led by a non-Briton and include input from climate change sceptics.

    Dr Benny Peiser, director of the British-based Global Warming Policy Foundation, said: 'What is important is that the university comes clean on this and they don't fudge the inquiry.

    'We need total transparency on this.

    'If they try to set up some kind of whitewash panel which an inquiry that does not have the total trust of the public it will make matters worse.

    'We have called for a High Court judge to chair the inquiry just to make sure that trust is restored.'

    Read more: http://www.dail*****.co.uk/news/art...quiries-researchers-banned.html#ixzz0YbEnpaVP
     
    #33     Dec 3, 2009
  4. THE scientific consensus that mankind has caused climate change was rocked yesterday as a leading academic called it a “load of hot air underpinned by fraud”.

    Professor Ian Plimer condemned the climate change lobby as “climate comrades” keeping the “gravy train” going.

    In a controversial talk just days before the start of a climate summit attended by world leaders in Copenhagen, Prof Plimer said Governments were treating the public like “fools” and using climate change to increase taxes.

    He said carbon dioxide has had no impact on temperature and that recent warming was part of the natural cycle of climate stretching over _billions of years. More...

    http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/143573

    They treat us like suckers getting us to vote for taxes that will cripple us in order to save us from a non existent threat. The kids sing dittys at school and rock bands raise funds while those who know laugh all the way to the bank.
     
    #34     Dec 3, 2009
  5. Scientific consensus rocked? Hardly. He has been spruiking this stuff for years. Plimer is not taken seriously by people who know what they are talking about.
     
    #35     Dec 3, 2009
  6. It is the global scientific community as referenced earlier that Plimer is talking about.

    Before Climategate broke hundreds of top scientists signed a declaration that they did not believe in man made global warming science. However the media would not give them any publicity. Wonder why?
     
    #36     Dec 3, 2009
  7. Great theory but... Why is the planet cooling then?
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    you skeptics make me laugh. You go on and on about looking at the longer term picture but then point out the earth has not warmed in the past 9 years.....9 years in a 200+ year trend. That's like a stock resting for 2 days in a 2 year trend and you saying it's all over.

    I see milder and milder winters in the UK in the past 20 years. Some years we have virtulally no ice/snow. And we always used to get this in the 1970's. Look at the polar ccap. Decreasing by 11% eah summer. Will be ice free is less than 20 years.....now does that show really show cooling? It's getting warmer and we are pumping billions of extra tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. Go figure.

    to say that has no effect on the climate is pure B*S*.

    Yes I do think the politicians are jumping on the bandwagon for higher taxes etc. But these skeptics I.M.H.O. are just as bad. Many are simply bought by big oil/energy companies to dish the G.W./ Climate change that is going on.

    Any-one here seriously think we are colder than we were 30 years ago? Remember the winters we got in the 60/70's compared to what we get now? I'd be very careful about what you believe in.
     
    #37     Dec 3, 2009
  8. EXACTLY..since when have you EVER seen a trend line go straight up with no small corrections/ pauses? Couldn't that be what is happening in this trend? Why? Who knows..maybe we are also going through come kind of natural cooling that is pegging back man made G.W. (i made this up) But to say man made CO2 emmissions has no effect on the temperature is plain wrong.

    Again how can we be cooling if the ice caps are getting smaller? Ships can now sail though in the summer.
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    Seemingly the global warming graph should follow the stock market graph, if you think about it, since economic activity is directly correlated to CO2 production and the stock market. Well, does it?
     
    #38     Dec 3, 2009
  9. Settled them coming form such a proven and wonderful source End of: :eek:
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    I will add one quote from the responses to the D Telegraph article.
     
    #39     Dec 3, 2009
  10. By definition, CO2 cannot be the only cause of Global warming, even if it turns out to be a cause

    We went from 250 ppm to 380 ppm
    temperature rose a degree to several degrees

    if co2 was 0 ppm lowest average temperature on earth that ever existed will be few degrees lower than what we have now.

    is this possible? no! in the ice age average temperature was much lower.

    you could argue oceans are a giant sinkhole for co2. any other reasons

    we have peak oil. lets say peak oil happens at 2020. Then 170 years of industrial revolution brought 200 ppm increase.
    Then you can expect co2 level not to rise above 600 ppm.

    we all know this cannot be true, as co2 levels during dinosaurs, when apparently rtree were average 100m high, co2 ppm was like 1000-2000 ppm
    where did all the co2 go?

    questions, questions, questions...:mad:
     
    #40     Dec 3, 2009