Ontario declares State of Emergency!

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by The_Krakenite, Feb 11, 2022.

  1. In Canada, they are currently going after anyone who has donated more than $25 to the convoy. They are claiming that they will freeze your bank accounts, whether personal or corporate.

    Let's say this happens in a Bitcoin world.

    I transfer 25 satoshi to Freedumb Convoy 2024. The government finds all bitcoin addresses that donated and runs a chain analysis algorithm to find any citizen wallets involved and marks them as proceeds of terrorism/frozen/whatever. Good luck unfreezing them when no one wants to touch it. Yes your option is to leave the country, but good luck doing that with whatever other restriction they will put on you, again without any proof required.

    How does Bitcoin avoid this? It doesn't. Your assumption is that there is too much noise but computers don't care about noise, humans do.

    Until Bitcoin has actual built in privacy, will not protect against a determined actor who has a laptop and subpoena power.
     
    #81     Feb 15, 2022
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  2. johnarb

    johnarb

    You are the one making assumptions

    Chainalysis to find any Canadian Citizen wallet? The issue here is that I do not have the time to educate you on Bitcoin but please look in the Bitcoin blockchain for location information

    25 satoshis going to that convoy wallet are coming from all over the world. If I was Canadian, I'd send it from a non-KYC wallet using a different crypto coin

    https://changenow.io/?from=bnbbsc&to=btc


    Unfreezing bitcoins? That's your assumption that you can freeze bitcoins in local wallets and that Canada can order all counterparties worldwide private and public to blacklist suspected addresses

    Lookup UTXO's

    Listen, you can make assumptions and if it makes you feel better that you believe they are correct, good for you

    But as I said on my previous post, you do not use bitcoin and cryptos irl

    Get some hands-on experience and you'll notice certain details as your mind tries to figure how things work and the processes that take place and always have a mindset that an adversary is watching all your moves all the time
     
    #82     Feb 15, 2022
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  3. So according to you I have to take extra steps to protect myself and bitcoin does not do this by design. That's what I've been saying.
     
    #83     Feb 15, 2022
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  4. johnarb

    johnarb

    Bitcoiners have been taking responsibility for privacy for a long time. It's one of the reasons to own bitcoin

    Situational awareness is nothing new as far as risk-mitigation that Bitcoiners have been aware of. For example, since I got in to Bitcoin in 2013, it's widely known not to send or receive bitcoins to/from Coinbase to/from the Darknet or risk the account getting frozen

    Notice how you don't deny that you do not use bitcoin (cryptos) in practice?

    Also, when you see it in the news, you can post it to point it to me that a Canadian got his Bitcoin/crypto accounts frozen or seized after donating to the Convoy or that the said Canadian got arrested

    Chainalysis does not have KYC access to all the blockchain addresses. They do not have definitive information that an address belongs to Mr. McNoob or a certain bitcoin/crypto transfer was initiated by Mr. McNoob and it takes a lot of resource to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt

    Plausible deniability is another concept that is lacking in this exchange. A person can get hacked or the crypos can be transferred to a family member or a friend or a merchant who then sends to the Convoy

    Anyway, this is the wrong thread for this, open one up in the Crypto Assets forum, but you need to educate yourself and not post false assumptions as it makes it difficult to have a discussion with you
     
    #84     Feb 15, 2022
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  5. You probably signed an initial form when you first went that consented to later procedures on a verbal basis.
     
    #85     Feb 15, 2022
  6. What's your method/platform of exchanging crypto-fiat for purchasing things. I've been trying to figure that out. It's not frictionless yet, so far as I can find.
     
    #86     Feb 15, 2022
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  7. johnarb

    johnarb

    The easiest method and possibly the least costly in terms of fees is still Coinbase, Gemini or Kraken and transfer to bank accounts

    I've done Kraken in the morning and they wire the money within 2-3 hours so it hits the bank on the same day if it's M-F

    If you do not mind storing your fiat on a neo-bank like PayPal, I'm actually finding out that this is the best method and may consider this going forward

    I just don't know if it's a good idea to have 6 figures or more of $ in a PayPal account

    Coinbase to PayPal have instant transfers, so if you sell $10,000 worth of cryptos at Coinbase and transfer to your PayPal at 11PM on a Saturday night, you can go to an ATM to withdraw $$$ using your PayPal debit card

    Bitcoin/cryptos is our investment portfolio so my situation might be different to others. It would be similar to another person who has a stock portfolio and would only sell for fiat periodically
     
    #87     Feb 15, 2022
  8. It is not. PayPal should be considered petty cash.
     
    #88     Feb 15, 2022
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  9. I think this has happened in the US more than in Canada. But they are interested in it happening there.
     
    #89     Feb 15, 2022
  10. johnarb

    johnarb

    I agree with this even though I've had 5 figures of $ at PayPal for over 6 months, I don't feel it's wise to go higher to next level

    There's a proliferation of neo-banks, but I think another approach is to sell cryptos and keep the fiat at Coinbase/Kraken/Gemini and only transfer to traditional banks as needed
     
    #90     Feb 15, 2022
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