Only 6% of scientists vote Republican

Discussion in 'Politics' started by futurecurrents, Aug 22, 2014.

  1. jem

    jem

    New paper demonstrates temperature drives CO2 levels, not man-made CO2

    A recent paper published in Nature Climate Change finds a disconnect between man-made CO2 and atmospheric levels of CO2, demonstrating that despite a sharp 25% increase in man-made CO2 emissions since 2003, the growth rate in atmospheric CO2 has slowed sharply since 2002/2003. The data shows that while the growth rate of man-made emissions was relatively stable from 1990-2003, the growth rate of atmospheric CO2 surged up to the record El Nino of 1997-1998. Conversely, growth in man-made emissions surged ~25% from 2003-2011, but the change in the growth rate of atmospheric CO2 has flatlined since 1999 along with global temperatures. The data demonstrates temperature drives CO2 levels due to ocean outgassing, man-made CO2 does not drive temperature, and that man is not the primary cause of the rise in CO2 levels.



    http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/04/new-paper-demonstrates-temperature.html
     
    #61     Aug 28, 2014


  2. Ummm no.
     
    #62     Aug 28, 2014
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    This is from man's emissions of CO2.

    It has caused temps to rise. Only an idiot would deny those obvious facts. Or a righty. Same thing.
     
    #63     Aug 28, 2014
  4. jem

    jem

    unfortunately for you and your chart when you drill down into the data... you get this...
    which clearly shows the change in co2 level closely follows but trails change in ocean temps.

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    #64     Aug 28, 2014
  5. So here we see the effect of rising CO2 from man's burning of fossil fuels. Much of them need to be left in the ground for now.


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    #65     Aug 28, 2014
  6. The Keeling Curve is a graph which plots the ongoing change in concentration of carbon dioxide in Earth's atmospheresince 1958. It is based on continuous measurements taken at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii that began under the supervision of Charles David Keeling. Keeling's measurements showed the first significant evidence of rapidly increasing carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere. Many scientists credit Keeling's graph with first bringing the world's attention to the current increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.[1]

    Charles David Keeling, of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at UC San Diego, was the first person to make frequent regular measurements of the atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration, taking readings at the South Pole and in Hawaii from 1958 onwards.[2]

    Prior to Keeling, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was thought to be affected by constant variability. Keeling had perfected the measurement techniques and observed "strong diurnal behavior with steady values of about 310 ppm in the afternoon" at three locations: (Big Sur near Monterey, the rain forests of Olympic Peninsula and high mountain forests in Arizona).[3] By measuring the ratio of two isotopes of carbon, Keeling attributed the diurnal change to respiration from local plants and soils, with afternoon values representative of the "free atmosphere". By 1960, Keeling and his group had determined that the measurement records from California, Antarctica, and Hawaii were long enough to see not just the diurnal and seasonal variations, but also a year-on-year increase that roughly matched the amount of fossil fuels burned per year. In the article that made him famous, Keeling observed, "at the South Pole the observed rate of increase is nearly that to be expected from the combustion of fossil fuel".[4]


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    #66     Aug 28, 2014
  7. jem

    jem

    when you drill down into the data... you get this... its from the same sources...
    you are showing the co2 cumulatively and I am showing how much is added each period.

    when you compare how much is being added you see that co2 tracks and lags change in ocean temp... and does not track or follow man made co2.



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    #67     Aug 28, 2014
  8. jem

    jem

    here you can see it more clearly...

    The shape of the annual carbon increase resembles the shape of the global sea surface temperature (HADSST3), especially after reliable CO2 measurements began by Keeling after March 1958. Several known events are visible. Counting backwards: the 1998 El Niño, the 1994-5 El Niño, Mt Pinatubo in 1991, the 1986-7 El Niño, Mt Ruiz in 1985, El Chichon eruption in 1982, the 1972-3 El Niño, etc. Every positive peak is an El Niño and every negative peak is associated with a major volcanic eruption.

    As can be seen in Figure 1, there is no relationship between the fossil carbon emissions curve and the annual carbon increase curve. That is because all the fossil emissions carbon is taken up by the biosphere or by the oceans according to Henry’s Law, and then sequestered there. The carbon in the atmosphere is controlled by temperature. This has been described by Dr. Murry Salby in this presentations at Sydney and Hamburg. He compares the CO2 curve to the integral of temperature. Here, I am going the other way mathematically, taking the differential of the CO2 curve as temperature and comparing it to known temperature data, the HADSST3 data.

    - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2013/10/08/...-co2-and-not-vice-versa/#sthash.8zHVVfJs.dpuf


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    #68     Aug 28, 2014
  9. Again with that fraud and liar Salby! When will you ever learn?


    The Keeling Curve is a graph which plots the ongoing change in concentration of carbon dioxide in Earth's atmospheresince 1958. It is based on continuous measurements taken at theMauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii that began under the supervision of Charles David Keeling. Keeling's measurements showed the first significant evidence of rapidly increasing carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere. Many scientists credit Keeling's graph with first bringing the world's attention to the current increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.[1]

    Charles David Keeling, of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at UC San Diego, was the first person to make frequent regular measurements of the atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration, taking readings at the South Pole and in Hawaii from 1958 onwards.[2]

    Prior to Keeling, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was thought to be affected by constant variability. Keeling had perfected the measurement techniques and observed "strong diurnal behavior with steady values of about 310 ppm in the afternoon" at three locations: (Big Sur near Monterey, the rain forests of Olympic Peninsula and high mountain forests inArizona).[3] By measuring the ratio of two isotopes of carbon, Keeling attributed the diurnal change to respiration from local plants and soils, with afternoon values representative of the "free atmosphere". By 1960, Keeling and his group had determined that the measurement records from California, Antarctica, and Hawaii were long enough to see not just the diurnal and seasonal variations, but also a year-on-year increase that roughly matched the amount of fossil fuels burned per year. In the article that made him famous, Keeling observed, "at the South Pole the observed rate of increase is nearly that to be expected from the combustion of fossil fuel".[4]


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    #69     Aug 29, 2014
  10. The denial of AGW may be the best single indicator of just how stupid most Republicans are and why scientists are not Republicans.
     
    #70     Aug 29, 2014