Discussion in 'Politics' started by yabz, Mar 26, 2008.

  1. yabz


    An interesting account
    by a Belgian tourist of the situation in Tibet

    "The day seems to be silent and peacefull, even boring. Until 6 o´clock. then 100s of Tibetans gather together on the Bakhor Square. They form a strong, silent, peacefull circle around the police who keep the middle of the square open. Soon they call for backup. Undercoveragents, not so difficult to recognize film the whole happening. Especially the faces. This is one method to create fear. Suddenly there is panic. 6 or 7 monks are arrested and driven away. Tibetans are very scared because of the stories about the prisons and tortures. In the mean while big numbers of policemen arrive. They drive everybody apart. But until sunset small groups of people stay around. There are tourists, Tibetans and Tibetan resembling spies. Apparently we stick around to long because some Tibetans start to warn us to be careful about the undercoverpolice who are watching us closely. We even get a note that says we are being followed and have to be carefull about what we say. The whole evening misty figures keep following us, even to the restaurant and the bar.

    The Chinese police almost manages to give the impression that it´s just a small manifestation that they can easily control. From our Portugees friends, Miguel and Clara, who visit one of the biggest monasteries (Drepung) nearby, we learn that the Chinese approach (away from touristic eyes) is much harder. When they walk together with lots of monks towards Lhasa to join the manifestation, they are brutely blocked by armed police and military. Miguel and Clara are picked out of the crowd (they were the only tourists at that time) and chased away. All the shop have to close and all the people around are obliged to leave the scene. They get no information and cannot ask or see anything. It is impossible to take pictures, unfortunately.
    Later that day, Miguel returns and tries to get in, being very concerned about the monks. He can get very close to the monastery and sees how army trucks and ambulances go and come back from the scene. Then he is caught, questionned and dropped back at his hotel. We are very concerned what happened or still happens there, behind the scenes. Nobody will know.

    Lhasa goes to sleep with a sad and uncomfortable feeling. Maybe it is hard to imagine how bad this feels. We can see now how fortunate we are, having freedom of speach, freedom of going where we like. Everybody is afraid to speak. Even us, free born people, not for our sake but for that of the Tibetans who can get in trouble just by speaking with us. It´s also very spooky to notice that we are being followed and approached by men who really try their best to look like tibetans, being unhandy with their mala. They ask us what is happening, what we have seen and if we have taken pictures..."


    When Germany held the games in 1936 the Nuremburg laws were in force, Dachau was full of prisoners.The New York Times wrote that the games put Germany "back in the family of nations again".

    Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.
  2. yabz


    Beijing apparently employs an army of spammers to pump out propaganda ahead of the Olympics.

    Jinbojones registered on 03-21-08 and has 6 posts exclusively about Tibet and wickedness of the Dalai Lama. It makes you think.

    Its worth pointing out that the Dalai Lama is a democrat. The Tibetan government in exile, such as it is, is run democratically, and he proposes making Tibet a democracy should it achieve independence . Not exactly Beijing's cup of tea...
  3. That's news to me. When was the Dalai Lama elected? Whose payroll are you on? Tell you employer that you're not doing a very good job. Your lies are too obvious.
  4. Here is a more balanced report

    Given the historical context of the unrest in Tibet, there is reason to believe Beijing was caught on the hop with the recent demonstrations for the simple reason that their planning took place outside of Tibet and that the direction of the protesters is similarly in the hands of anti-Chinese organizers safely out of reach in Nepal and northern India.

    Similarly, the funding and overall control of the unrest has also been linked to Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, and by inference to the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) because of his close cooperation with US intelligence for over 50 years.
  5. TGregg


    Them damn Buddists. Always running over civillians in their tanks and sending out suicide bombers, when they take a break from preaching about world domination. Instead of the Iron Curtain, we have the Big Orange Robe.

  6. I find it extremely tasteless to joke about other people's sufferage.

    In one sentence, you have managed to offend Chinese students, Israeli people, and other victims of racial hatred and violence, as well as the Buddhist monks who actually did protest peacefully in Tibet.

    The violence in Lhasa had nothing to do with the monks. Get some clue or STFU.
  7. Dalai Lama, once the biggest slaver owner now is a democrat?!

    Are you kidding?

    Do you know in the past when he was
    in power in Tibet, it took two fresh slave
    skulls to celebrate his birthday?

    Do you know his drum was made of slave skins?

    Do you know he would gouge slave's eyes whenever he wanted?

    Do you like to be sacrificed?

    Anyway, you are just full of lies out of
    your mouth. Don't be like CNN (A catch phrase meaning: Don't tell lies

  8. protest peacefully? Only 18 innocent people were burned to death in Lhasa alone on 3/14.

    This is what you called peaceful protest?

  9. They were not monks. They were Tibetan thugs. The monks were protesting peacefully for two days, before Tibetan youths decided that it was time for them to riot. I don't think the monks would have agreed with what they did.
    #10     Mar 26, 2008