Older I get, Less I understand... why is market up when Moore lost, rates likely going higher?

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by iceman1, Dec 13, 2017.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Hmmm, so bitcoin run-up is rational?
    At market tops price will often pop. Is this rational where price leaps then crashes?
    No, I am not convinced of the theory market is always rational.
    Markets driven by algos may be considered rational in terms of algo driven but they are not considered rational in terms of value.
    It is possible to trade irrational markets using rational trading experience.
    All kinda twists and turns in this. :)
     
    #31     Dec 14, 2017
  2. qxr1011

    qxr1011

    define rational
     
    #32     Dec 14, 2017
  3. Sig

    Sig

    To bring up Keynes again, "The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent." Knowing that a bubble is irrational is a very different thing from being able to reliably profit from that knowledge. The number of investors who have put their money where their mouth is and correctly predicted multiple crashes without getting wiped out being short in the interim is vanishingly small for a reason.
     
    #33     Dec 14, 2017
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Aren't you just making a case for long term buy and hold without leverage?
     
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    #34     Dec 14, 2017
  5. themickey

    themickey

    Logical. Able to be calculated or anticipated via reasoning.
     
    #35     Dec 14, 2017
  6. qxr1011

    qxr1011

    whose reasoning? yours?

    those who are buying bitcoin now have their reasons, and their logic

    you may not agree with that reason and that logic but it's there

    and as i said to the OP earlier: your rationalizations, while seemed logical, is simply revamping the facts to the version that does not contradict your beliefs
     
    #36     Dec 14, 2017
  7. themickey

    themickey

    I think the best one can do is take small bites.
    Impossible to know the full extent of a trend beforehand, therefore small nibbles along the way, depending on your trading time frames.
     
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    #37     Dec 14, 2017
  8. themickey

    themickey

    Yes, that is what makes the markets. We all have different reasons and logic.
     
    #38     Dec 14, 2017
  9. Sig

    Sig

    Which could be said about any trading. Ergo knowing a market is irrational is essentially useless.
     
    #39     Dec 14, 2017
  10. qxr1011

    qxr1011

    bingo !
     
    #40     Dec 14, 2017