At the miniscule level I'm trading at, these doggone indicators aren't worth a darn. By the time I get them peaked and tuned to run at scalping speeds,, about all they do is tell me prices just went up. So I went back to old fashionecd good old DYO (draw your own) trendlines with a little S&R. No wonder I was having so much trouble. If you can't draw some kind of trendline on the chart, that market aint worth trading. And I wasted a lot of time and money to figure that out.