Old edges

Discussion in 'Trading' started by cyoungmark, Sep 29, 2011.

  1. And yes i also think that when a strategy works easy (what will never be) and everybody can learn it because it is written in books, then this MUST stop working, otherwise there would be no market anymore.
     
    #11     Sep 29, 2011
  2. jprad

    jprad

    I'd say the lack of patience, discipline and capital are probably near the top of the list.
     
    #12     Sep 29, 2011
  3. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    I think it is never optimal to show such size in a thin market, he should have at least used icebergs, alternating passive buy orders and removing asks...

    Moreover, there must be some way to fill bigger size in FCOJ directly, through a pit local or a block trade IMO.
     
    #13     Sep 29, 2011
  4. yes, iceberg orders and block trade system would be probably the best. i use iceberg orders too for stocktrading, although i dont need them really, cuz i dont trade so big in stocks, but i train for later. :D
     
    #14     Sep 29, 2011
  5. Agreed. When facing drawdowns, giving back that much money is tough.

    I tried it and couldn't do it so in the end I used a hybrid of O'Neil's exit - after a gain of + 25%, I would trail a stop at 1.5 times ATR. I figured if the trend resumed after I got stopped out, I could always look for another entry.
     
    #15     Sep 29, 2011
  6. Hmm where do I start?

    1) SOES Bandits of the 1990s
    2) The late 1990s edge of buy to win
    3) Bullets & Conversions
    4) Rebate trading
    5) NYSE Open Book
    6) Tape reading the specialist
    6) ECN and regional exchange arbitrage
    7) NYFIX/Millennium

    I doubt there are even enough edges available today to the average trader that would equate to the risk/reward of one of those.
     
    #16     Sep 29, 2011
  7. It worked in the FX market in the last ten years because I backtested it. It also worked very well on gold and silver. The key is identifying the right kind of markets to use it on.

    I'm of the opinion that you could post any winning trading strategy and most people wouldn't make money with it because they have neither the patience to allow it to work and the discipline to see the plan through to the end.
     
    #17     Sep 29, 2011
  8. Was that also called ''shadowing the axe''? (tape-reading the specialist)

    I used to know someone who made so much money every single day, and he told me all he did was ''shadow the ax''...''find out who the main instituational player was using the level2 screen and follow him''. No charts. just Level2

    Was it a really easy thing to do?
    Are you saying that he can no longer employ that method? (i've not spoke with him for years)

    Must be so nice to have a true 'edge' (like the example above) rather than punting from charts!
     
    #18     Sep 29, 2011
  9. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Hydroblunt,

    What were bullets and conversions?
     
    #19     Sep 29, 2011
  10. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Nobody on the futures side to share 1 or 2 tricks that stopped working?:)
     
    #20     Sep 29, 2011