OILU long-term trade - what do you think?

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by farmerjohn1324, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. Even if UWT gets back to $2, that's a gain of 1123%!!!

    It's a certainty that the economy will heal eventually, given enough time.

    To me, it doesn't have to be next quarter. It could be next year.
     
    #11     Mar 30, 2020
  2. qwerty11

    qwerty11

    No NUGT is not shut down. Only leverage from 3x to 2x (as of tomorrow I think).
     
    #12     Mar 30, 2020
  3. qwerty11

    qwerty11

    OK but as of today this ETF is stopped (as said before).

    I didn't check, but I think it's really stopped (i.e. not on OTC like UWTI / DWTI few years ago).

    Of course could be that NAV still moves with oil but I don't think so.

    I guess they will be liquidated shortly?
     
    #13     Mar 30, 2020
  4. I didn't mean the fund was closed.

    I meant the price will never recover to previous levels? Why or why not?
     
    #14     Mar 30, 2020
  5. qwerty11

    qwerty11

    No it will not. If the price of the underlier (say GDX is underlier) moves approximately -30% once (which it did recently) then the 3x approaches 0 and that is almost impossible to overcome as a factor.
     
    #15     Mar 30, 2020
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  6. Good chance like a bankrupt stock. My initial investment was based on oil staying above $25 but it did not hold thanks to Saudi/Russia and uncertainty of this effect on global economy. I treated it like a lottery ticket option.

    If oil can recover and they can recapitalize then maybe they can survive the NAV loss and move higher but now that they got down to $0.22.......well....not so much as when it was $1.22.

    They may have asked for a halt to stop sales of shares since they have adjust NAV...
     
    #16     Mar 30, 2020
  7. qwerty11

    qwerty11

    Example: say NUGT is at 10 and next day GDX goes -30%. Then NUGT goes to 1. Next day GDX is up 50% (actually an investment in GDX was very good over this 2 day period) and then NUGT goes to 2.5.... (i.e. 75% lost)
     
    #17     Mar 30, 2020
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  8. Basically, it would have to gain 30% in one day to ever give it a chance to approach it's previous price levels?

    What would happen if GDX lost 33.4% or more? Making the 3x >100% negative in one day? Would they close the fund permanently?
     
    #18     Mar 30, 2020
  9. qwerty11

    qwerty11

    no, see example
    yes
     
    #19     Mar 30, 2020
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  10. qwerty11

    qwerty11

    Looked it up:

    The last day the funds will accept creation orders is March 27, 2020. Trading in the funds will be halted prior to market open on March 30, 2020. Beginning on March 30, 2020, the funds will not be traded on their respective exchanges, and there will be no secondary market for the shares. On or about March 27, 2020, the funds will begin the process of liquidating their portfolios and may no longer be managed in accordance with their investment objectives. Any shareholders remaining in the funds will have their shares redeemed at net asset value on or about April 3, 2020.
     
    #20     Mar 30, 2020