Oil supply what's the real situation?

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by Samson77, Jun 25, 2005.

How much oil is there left?

  1. Lots, enough for the next 200 years +

    15 vote(s)
    25.4%
  2. Adequate supply for our lifetime next 100 yrs.

    17 vote(s)
    28.8%
  3. Running low it will not last past the next 50 yrs

    16 vote(s)
    27.1%
  4. Empty we have 25 yrs to find alternative answers.

    11 vote(s)
    18.6%
  1. Businessman

    Businessman

    There are 1000 billion in reserves.

    So that lot should last 30-40 years at current production
    rates. However the price will go up, so consumption and
    production should fall. Also they might find more reserves.

    The price can only go up in the next decade, unless they
    find more supply.

    Ofcourse in the short term they can ramp up production to
    push the price down but that will only reduce the total
    reserves quicker!

    The US went into Iraq to secure the middle east, they have
    not handed if over to the UN, they want a base from which to
    operate incase something happens in unstable Saudi etc over
    the next few decades. Like i said there is $20 trillion worth
    of oil in Saudi. Paying $300 billion to takeover Iraq is loose change.
    Oil is running out and the US has no sizable capacity of its own
    and is completely dependant on middle east oil, they cant
    leave things to chance.
     
    #11     Jun 25, 2005
  2. BCE

    BCE

    Not to be negative or flipant, but who cares? By the time this question is definitively answered we'll all be dead. :D We're here to trade QM, light sweet crude oil futures, if we're interested, and should be focusing more on supply and demand which drives the price. And of course this affects the rest of the economy.:)
     
    #12     Jun 25, 2005
  3. THe 100 Billion was just the Alberta oil sands, and just the amount that can be produced with current infrastructure and economics. There's a few hundred billion more that can likely be produced with forseeable technology at forseeable oil prices. Geologically there are 1 or 2 trillion barrels of total crude oil equivalent, much of which is effectively unrecoverable. You can Google for more accurate numbers, this is just off the top of my head.

    Martin
     
    #13     Jun 25, 2005
  4. TGregg

    TGregg

    Thanks for the clarification. Does "effectively unrecoverable" really mean that, or do you mean unrecoverable at less than say $100 a barrel?
     
    #14     Jun 25, 2005
  5. My understanding is the easily surface mined oil sands are about 20% of the total or around 400 billion barrels still double Saudi. The deeper sands will require more expensive methods like in situ (basically heating them up in place so the oil is pumpable.)

    From what friends in the industry tell me, about half of the deep oil sands are recoverable but the technology is not fully developed and it will be very expensive.

    FWIW- I own Canadian Oil Sands Trust and Suncor. The cost of recovery of the surface mined sands at Syncrude runs around $21 per bbl (I think in Loonies). The Syncrude facility produces a premium crude from the sands and gets a small premium over WTI. I don't recall the Suncor economics. Made a lot of money in both of these positions.

    Any way you cut it, there is a lot of oil north of the border that sells at a great margin. Plus, production does not naturally decline as do conventional fields. Lots of oil in S. America too, but the political situation there is poor as Chavez does his Fidel imitation.
    .

    DS
     
    #15     Jun 25, 2005
  6. Businessman

    Businessman

    Even though there is enough to last 40 years.
    Production slows down as the oil runs out:

    2020: 30 billion per year
    2030: 25 billion per year
    2040: 20 billion per year
    2050: 15 billion per year
    2060: 10 billion per year

    This is quite scary given that demand is likely to increase and
    that world population will continue grow too.
     
    #16     Jun 25, 2005
  7. Currently, there is no oil shortage; we don't even refine all of what we buy. The rest goes into storage.
     
    #17     Jun 25, 2005
  8. In answer to your question in my opinion we have peaked with regard to removing remaining crude supplies. The problem is that with the increased demand from China and India its the old economic basic of supply not meeting demand. Whenever u have this scenerio you have increased prices like we have now.

    The problem the world has is finding new alternative sources of energy. Our governments have sat on their hands. We have only 20 years of suppply to meet present demands if things remain the way it is. This is the official figure given by OPEC. Each year the remaining pool of resources is getting smaller. New discoveries of crude are tiny compared to the huge increases in demand. A viable energy source is still decades away.

    On the whole it paints a horrible future.
     
    #18     Jun 25, 2005
  9. Another view:

    http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/feature_articles/2004/worldoilsupply/oilsupply04.html

    To summarize their comments:

    "The future is neither as bleak or rosy as some assert ... In any event, the world production peak for conventionally reservoired crude is unlikely to be "right around the corner" as so many other estimators have been predicting. Our analysis shows that it will be closer to the middle of the 21st century than to its beginning. Given the long lead times required for significant mass-market penetration of new energy technologies, this result in no way justifies complacency about both supply-side and demand-side research and development."
     
    #19     Jun 25, 2005
  10. As of 2002 there was 1.025 trillion proven oil reserves on the whole planet. Natural gas there was 161.2 trillion cu. m. We use about 2.6 trillion cu. m. a year. And here is a little bit of info for ya.

    Saudi arabia produces approx. 9 million barrels a day in oil and exports a little less than 8 million a day

    In the USA we produce 7.8 million barrels a day. :)
     
    #20     Jun 25, 2005