Oil Contango Pays Most in Decade as Shell Holds Crude in Ships

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by Banjo, Dec 7, 2008.

  1. As part of the infra-structure projects of the new Administration, they should build 2 MORE SPR's and load them up at these current prices.
     
    #11     Dec 8, 2008
  2. I think that crude oil will lose some of its volatile components thru evaporation if not store in an air tight tank.
     
    #12     Dec 8, 2008
  3. daybyday

    daybyday

    Is that what contango is?

    If I can buy now (40 bbl), the profit is already spelled out in the future price (54 bbl)? Essentially guaranteed?

    I am still trying to understand contango and backwardation, that is why I ask.

    Thanks.
     
    #13     Dec 8, 2008
  4. maybe a spr for home heating oil and gasoline. build a refinary specifically for that
     
    #14     Dec 8, 2008
  5. normal backwardation of futures markets: When the nearby futures sell at a consistent premium to deferred futures prices and that long side speculators were paid to accept the risks of ownership of various commodities by owning those discounted futures contracts out into the future. In other words, is when there's more demand than supply, its a bullish condition.

    Contango: when the spot rate is below the nearby futures, which is itself discountedthe next futures contract on the calendar, which is discounted to the next... and so on. In acontango term structure, hedgers are "paid" to store a commodity, and are able to sell deferred futures at a premium, earning the "cost of carry." On other words, when there is more supply than demand. Is a bearish condition.

    In contango. Hedgers...(For example, grain elevators)... will accumulate grain, put it into storage, pay the price of the nearby futures + or - some difference known as the basis, and sell deferred futures if the deferred futures pay the elevator his costs of storage.

    Thus, if the cost to store corn from March to May is, for example, 5 cents, and if the May futures trades at more than 5 cents premium to the March, the hedger will roll his short Marchfutures into May and store the grain. The fact that May is at a premium to March does notspeak to the notion that grain prices are expected to move higher; it speaks only to the notion that the borrowing, insurance and other ancillary costs of storage have been covered.

    Right now we have a massive contango in the crude market.
     
    #15     Dec 9, 2008
  6. Good explanation from the guy above.

    Just to add, I would say 'contango' is considered the normal futures market. Backwardation is 'abnormal' condition or a sign of tight supply. Theoretically speaking anyway.

    The issue we have here is that the spreads are so far in contango, that there must be sooooo much of the stuff about. Usually the market would bring the spreads to a normal level of contango where the cost of carry benefit becomes questionable.

    At the moment it's a no brainer.... they can make a profit, no question, because the locked in profit in the spread far outweighs the cost of carry (which will differ from firm to firm by the way). The issue people have at the moment is they can't find any more places to store oil - Hence Shell holding crude in ships!

    The value of the spreads are the real guide for how much demand / supply there is, not the flat price.
     
    #16     Dec 9, 2008
  7. daybyday

    daybyday

    Thank you rubibond007 and papa_lazarou for the clarification.

    I appreciate it.
     
    #17     Dec 9, 2008
  8. you welcome guys, papa you are 100% right.
     
    #18     Dec 9, 2008
  9. remember when ppl thought backwardation was "normal"
     
    #19     Dec 9, 2008
  10. bt116

    bt116

    How does one get long 'storage' only? Isn't that the trade here? Isn't Shell et al just betting that storage is trading way too cheap?
     
    #20     Dec 10, 2008