Offering auto-trading long-only options system "sys13"

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  1. Chubbly

    Chubbly

    In reality you can't get out of options trades so easily. Even if you always use the mid of Bid/Ask your order may sit for quite a while. Then price can start to move away from you.

    Especially if things are moving quickly. This is something you will learn on a forward test.

    Reality is much different than theoritcal in options when you use such short time frames.
     
    #181     Jan 30, 2016
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  2. ospkfne

    ospkfne

    How about using IQFeed or eSignal? They both provide a free trial.
     
    #182     Jan 30, 2016
  3. botpro

    botpro

    With them it would work, but I think they are just data feeds without any brokerage services.
    Ie. then I would need to simulate the market again myself, only difference would be realtime data vs. GBM data...
    You all see: it's not that easy to do... :-(
     
    #183     Jan 30, 2016
  4. botpro

    botpro

    Of course I was curious and did a test by holding the positions at least 40 minutes.
    The result was about 650% p.a.
    This shows me that the shorter the timeframe the better the results.
    It can also explain the HFT craze and the demand for submillisecond execution speeds, colocation at the exchange etc...
     
    #184     Jan 30, 2016
  5. botpro

    botpro

    Actually there is a typo in the params, sorry. It should be:
    MinWaitSecondsBetweenTrades = 300
    MinHoldSeconds = 300 <-- this one
     
    #185     Jan 31, 2016
  6. botpro

    botpro

    As said in a previous posting, this system does not depend on immediate fill or execution;
    after 45 sec the order gets cancelled, and the situation re-evaluated, possibly a new close-order with a new limit sent out.
     
    #186     Jan 31, 2016
  7. This really can't be overemphasized enough...The ability to actually enter/exit trades at a given price is not a given...Many times, even a modestly sized order will be broken up into pieces, it's a liquidity vacuum...15 years ago, I'd have given better odds of trading this system with SOES, etc...I saw much better options liquidity back in 99-00.
     
    #187     Feb 1, 2016
  8. botpro

    botpro

    The system limits itself to about $8k to $25k with each position, so this should have not an impact on the particular instrument.
    There are many positions (10+), each using a different instrument.
     
    #188     Feb 1, 2016
  9. botpro

    botpro

    100 years of forwardtesting:
    Code:
    Setup / Params   : conservative, ie. using less risky params
    InitialAV        : 1000000 (ie. 1M)
    MaxInitialPosSize: $10k, upto max $25k depending on actual AV
    Runs             : 100x forwardtesting 1 year using 1-minute GBM data (ie. simulated data) and max 80 bots, totalling 100 years
    The annual results are independent of each other.
    
        #         PL        PLpct      AV     avgRTT/d  MDDpct
      --------------------------------------------------------
        1     7079612.30   707.96   8079612.30   21.85   -1.81
        2     5923785.42   592.38   6923785.42   20.69   -2.05
        3     6818833.91   681.88   7818833.91   21.02   -4.77
        4     7707676.62   770.77   8707676.62   22.97   -6.64
        5     6306536.06   630.65   7306536.06   20.49   -5.55
        6     7402506.05   740.25   8402506.05   21.73   -2.08
        7     6421807.52   642.18   7421807.52   19.60   -3.50
        8     6698048.31   669.80   7698048.31   20.84   -2.79
        9     6720526.30   672.05   7720526.30   20.88   -4.69
       10     5678735.74   567.87   6678735.74   18.60   -4.05
       11     8629647.43   862.96   9629647.43   21.29   -2.00
       12     6532892.70   653.29   7532892.70   20.40   -1.76
       13     7064098.87   706.41   8064098.87   21.21   -2.37
       14     6467302.00   646.73   7467302.00   20.13   -5.73
       15     6141941.37   614.19   7141941.37   19.41   -3.04
       16     7655298.57   765.53   8655298.57   21.70   -3.34
       17     7254110.92   725.41   8254110.92   21.52   -2.23
       18     5946006.26   594.60   6946006.26   19.22   -4.11
       19     6579499.15   657.95   7579499.15   20.16   -2.14
       20    15565555.65  1556.56  16565555.65   24.21   -2.55
       21     6035354.54   603.54   7035354.54   19.38   -2.79
       22     7077880.79   707.79   8077880.79   21.77   -2.13
       23     5937467.60   593.75   6937467.60   19.05   -3.26
       24     6780222.78   678.02   7780222.78   20.75   -2.07
       25     6213696.11   621.37   7213696.11   19.91   -5.98
       26     6749543.22   674.95   7749543.22   20.10   -2.36
       27     6602897.92   660.29   7602897.92   21.05   -1.88
       28     7744025.93   774.40   8744025.93   22.96   -4.33
       29     6902696.71   690.27   7902696.71   19.73   -2.75
       30     5905292.49   590.53   6905292.49   19.19   -2.02
       31     6682134.91   668.21   7682134.91   20.23   -3.84
       32     5618654.77   561.87   6618654.77   18.98   -2.93
       33     5744518.32   574.45   6744518.32   19.26   -3.03
       34     6974346.24   697.43   7974346.24   20.68   -2.98
       35     6802635.63   680.26   7802635.63   22.15   -2.07
       36     6603454.52   660.35   7603454.52   21.39   -3.24
       37     6496165.87   649.62   7496165.87   21.33   -4.27
       38     7314204.54   731.42   8314204.54   21.77  -13.14
       39     5453109.60   545.31   6453109.60   18.86   -5.15
       40     6450739.30   645.07   7450739.30   21.44   -2.32
       41     6922173.23   692.22   7922173.23   21.81   -2.69
       42     7128564.99   712.86   8128564.99   22.13   -4.09
       43     5957294.67   595.73   6957294.67   18.33   -3.33
       44     6362365.09   636.24   7362365.09   20.54   -3.61
       45     6773122.24   677.31   7773122.24   20.77   -2.39
       46     6889195.15   688.92   7889195.15   21.07   -1.91
       47     6506844.24   650.68   7506844.24   19.60   -3.16
       48     7225741.66   722.57   8225741.66   22.76   -1.77
       49     5790021.81   579.00   6790021.81   19.98   -4.96
       50     6743790.28   674.38   7743790.28   21.03   -5.44
       51     7207566.14   720.76   8207566.14   21.58   -3.09
       52     7082298.59   708.23   8082298.59   21.39   -3.06
       53     5998732.78   599.87   6998732.78   20.71   -4.77
       54     7313818.12   731.38   8313818.12   21.58   -1.81
       55     5410240.75   541.02   6410240.75   19.14   -2.33
       56     7880122.79   788.01   8880122.79   23.29   -2.27
       57     6637636.63   663.76   7637636.63   19.98   -1.75
       58     7095856.47   709.59   8095856.47   22.56   -2.15
       59     6538266.57   653.83   7538266.57   20.59   -3.26
       60     6613773.14   661.38   7613773.14   20.03   -2.49
       61     6392005.48   639.20   7392005.48   20.22   -2.61
       62    12555392.45  1255.54  13555392.45   24.34   -2.67
       63     6830947.93   683.09   7830947.93   21.30   -4.43
       64     7295320.93   729.53   8295320.93   21.83   -3.02
       65     7211281.89   721.13   8211281.89   22.57   -2.88
       66     6002408.30   600.24   7002408.30   20.21   -2.81
       67     7719712.51   771.97   8719712.51   23.52   -3.67
       68     5975617.04   597.56   6975617.04   20.85   -2.42
       69     6255723.95   625.57   7255723.95   19.50   -2.70
       70     8130207.48   813.02   9130207.48   23.52   -2.53
       71     6426603.43   642.66   7426603.43   20.34   -4.01
       72     8060886.37   806.09   9060886.37   23.32   -3.72
       73     5991764.39   599.18   6991764.39   19.25   -2.79
       74     7147973.34   714.80   8147973.34   21.96   -2.02
       75     7717375.18   771.74   8717375.18   22.88   -2.14
       76     6685304.42   668.53   7685304.42   22.16   -3.37
       77     5476166.97   547.62   6476166.97   18.92   -5.33
       78     5639223.34   563.92   6639223.34   19.08   -2.29
       79     5933377.99   593.34   6933377.99   19.22   -2.31
       80     7481486.29   748.15   8481486.29   21.46   -1.91
       81     5340155.65   534.02   6340155.65   18.72   -2.83
       82     7300779.58   730.08   8300779.58   22.57   -2.36
       83     6073970.94   607.40   7073970.94   19.40   -2.29
       84     7754269.89   775.43   8754269.89   22.27   -4.60
       85     7660111.63   766.01   8660111.63   22.15   -2.86
       86     6438420.14   643.84   7438420.14   20.68   -1.99
       87     7117129.01   711.71   8117129.01   20.85   -3.00
       88     6311730.75   631.17   7311730.75   20.21   -2.23
       89     6540129.25   654.01   7540129.25   20.94   -2.82
       90     8025724.45   802.57   9025724.45   22.89   -2.45
       91     5427624.87   542.76   6427624.87   18.34   -2.81
       92     7356334.54   735.63   8356334.54   22.69   -6.62
       93     6555261.14   655.53   7555261.14   20.66   -3.99
       94     7155475.80   715.55   8155475.80   21.82   -4.12
       95     6944955.14   694.50   7944955.14   21.02   -6.05
       96     6919827.87   691.98   7919827.87   22.03   -2.88
       97     6198454.74   619.85   7198454.74   19.91   -2.87
       98     6262273.42   626.23   7262273.42   19.62   -5.03
       99     6774950.74   677.50   7774950.74   20.21   -3.10
      100     6479712.20   647.97   7479712.20   21.86   -3.78
    
    Analysis:
      Mean:   6843269.60   684.33   7843269.60   20.92   -3.28
      StdDev: 1257842.27   125.78   1257842.27    1.36    1.54
    
    
     
    #189     Feb 3, 2016
  10. botpro

    botpro

    Btw, the 100 runs took about 19 hours on my 4x2500 MHz CPU, CPU usage about 95% ;-)
     
    #190     Feb 3, 2016
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