October 87 short calls blow up

Discussion in 'Options' started by TraDaToR, Aug 19, 2016.

  1. sle

    sle

    People have blown up on a variety of far-end exotic risks. Heck, I know a guy who blew up being LONG a bunch of SPX tail risk in the fall of 2011 (now, THAT was an achievement if you ask me).
     
    #11     Aug 19, 2016
  2. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Huh? How do you do that?
     
    #12     Aug 19, 2016
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  3. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Like buying more premiums than there is money on your account and all expire worthless?
     
    #13     Aug 19, 2016
  4. Yeah, that's right... And sure, there were casualties. Obviously, it was all subsequently overshadowed by the bigger dramas of 2008.
     
    #14     Aug 19, 2016
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  5. Yep, they were one of the victims... And indeed it was rather wrong, but what else is new.
     
    #15     Aug 19, 2016
  6. Yeah, there are all sorts of stories, across both the buyside and the sellside. The story is always the same: lack of respect for the power of leverage.
     
    #16     Aug 19, 2016
  7. sle

    sle

    -- delta hedged his tail puts into the August expiration
    -- bought more crash protection (var/vol, specifically)
    Guess what happened?
     
    #17     Aug 19, 2016
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  8. sle

    sle

    "Bulls Make Money, Bears Make Money, Pigs Get Slaughtered"
     
    #18     Aug 19, 2016
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  9. donnap

    donnap

    "the market can remain irrational a lot longer than you can stay solvent."

    The Donnap Corollary to this saying is that "the market can remain irrational a lot longer than you can stay rational."
     
    #19     Aug 19, 2016
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  10. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    I will most likely be wrong, but if I recall, there was some kind of small crash in august 2011, so by delta hedging into august expiration, he probably missed the volatility increase that would have made his bet profitable and used the margin left to buy some further protection only to see the volatility go back to normal? Sorry if that wasn't a real question.
     
    #20     Aug 19, 2016