Observations (an example)

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  1. fortydraws

    fortydraws

    The above quoted passage was originally posted to DbPhoenix's journal. I may want to touch upon this further, and so I am copying here.
     
    #41     Jan 15, 2015
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  2. fortydraws

    fortydraws

    Worth noting here that today's opening range high occurred at the level where supply had outstripped demand during the initial arc of observations (the first 25-27 charts of this journal). Here is my S/R chart with trading levels as it looked before the open, with the blue arrow above the last price activity drawn at the level of the 1/15 failure high.

    For Trading on 2015-01-20 reduced.JPG
     
    #42     Jan 20, 2015
  3. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    It's also worth noting that price retraced exactly half the opening downdraft at 1012 before making a lower low.
     
    #43     Jan 20, 2015
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  4. fortydraws

    fortydraws

    An observation ...

    Journal 36.JPG
     
    #44     Jan 20, 2015
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  5. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    I should point out that these levels apply only if one eliminates the overnight data. Given that these contracts are traded globally, leaving out 70% of the data is not a good idea if one is going to rely on these levels for any reason.
     
    #45     Jan 20, 2015
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  6. k p

    k p

    Do you suppose there could be something inherently different between the psychology of the different traders in the different geographical locations? Explanation for this is below.

    Traders are looking to make trades, and most trades happen where they find value, where the congestion area is, the level at which most of the volume happens. So could it be that the Asian/EU traders find value in a different area than the US traders? (of course anyone is free to trade at any time, but it seems the big money would stick perhaps to their respective time zones)

    Fortydraws has always said that he wouldn't go into the day without looking at the overnight action, but some of these charts he is showing with only the US hours are compelling. One does of course have to test this, and I have often seen excellent trade opportunities at the overnight levels, so perhaps being aware of both is the key.

    I guess I have sometimes thought that when the market opens up, the big boys might not care so much about what happened overnight because they just want to pick up where they left off at the close the day before. So in some way, plotting only the US trading hours I'm thinking might track the big boys a little better? (The elephants as you so beautifully put)
     
    #46     Jan 20, 2015
  7. fortydraws

    fortydraws

    I hear what you're saying, DbPhoenix, and I do understand. I wouldn't trade either pre-market or NY session without knowing those Globex levels. I have found, however, that once the bell rings in NY, I am more likely to find a trade at a previous high, low, or midpoint of a recent NYC session's range than at the overnight high or low. I do take special notice of areas of premarket equilibrium, aka my beloved "hinges" as well. But given the propensity for these NY session highs and lows to develop into what Wyckoff calls "trading areas," I have found I am very comfortable using them as areas to look for reversals, failures, and breakout/pullback types of trades. As you know, I do not blindly sell or buy into these levels. As you taught me, it is not merely where price is, but what it does once it gets there.
     
    #47     Jan 20, 2015
  8. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    And if that works for you, that's fine. I'm pointing out that most who trade price will find it advantageous to see what other traders see.
     
    #48     Jan 20, 2015
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  9. fortydraws

    fortydraws

    By request from a friend.

    Looking for a trade:


    Journal 37.JPG


    20 Tick tracking to make entry:

    Journal 38.JPG

    View on a 5 minute bar interval chart:

    Journal 39.JPG
     
    #49     Jan 22, 2015
  10. How far are you willing to let price come against you? I find that when low points like that break there is often a pullback thereafter which there was albeit not a very large one. Of course not always does price pullback after low and high points break but I do find it to be common.
     
    #50     Jan 22, 2015
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