Obama's Past

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ZZZzzzzzzz, Jan 29, 2007.

  1. Can a past of Islam change the path to president?

    Bill Sammon, The Examiner
    Jan 29, 2007 3:00 AM (5 hrs ago)

    WASHINGTON - Although Sen. Barack Obama is a Christian, his childhood and family connections to Islam are beginning to complicate his presidential ambitions.

    The Illinois Democrat spent much of last week refuting unfounded reports that he had been educated in a madrassa, or radical Islamic school, when he lived in Indonesia as a boy.

    “The Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa,” said a statement put out by the senator’s staff.

    But the school did teach the Quran, Islam’s holy book, along with subjects such as math and science, according to Obama, who attended when he was 9 and 10.

    “In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school,” he wrote in his first memoir, “Dreams from my Father.” “The teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies.”

    Obama — whose father, stepfather, brother and grandfather were Muslims — explained his own first name, Barack, in “Dreams”: “It means ‘Blessed.’ In Arabic. My grandfather was a Muslim.”

    In his second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama added: “Although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist.”

    Still, when his father, a black Kenyan named Barack Obama Sr., died in 1982, “the family wanted a Muslim burial,” Obama quoted his brother, Roy, as saying in “Dreams.”

    The statement put out by Obama’s office last week referred to his father simply as “an atheist,” without mentioning his Muslim upbringing.

    But with pundits already making faith a major issue in this presidential campaign — as evidenced by questions about Republican Mitt Romney’s Mormonism — Obama’s religious background is likely to come under further scrutiny.

    “He comes from a father who was a Muslim,” said civil rights author Juan Williams of National Public Radio. “I mean, I think that given we’re at war with Muslim extremists, that presents a problem.”

    Obama’s grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama, for whom the senator was given his middle name, Hussein, was fiercely devoted to Islam, according to an account in “Dreams.” The grandfather, who died in 1979, was described by his widow when Obama visited Kenya in the late 1980s.

    “What your grandfather respected was strength. Discipline,” Obama quoted his grandmother as telling him. “This is also why he rejected the Christian religion, I think.

    “For a brief time, he converted, and even changed his name to Johnson. But he could not understand such ideas as mercy towards your enemies, or that this man Jesus could wash away a man’s sins.

    “To your grandfather, this was foolish sentiment, something to comfort women,” she added. “And so he converted to Islam — he thought its practices conformed more closely to his beliefs.”

    When Obama was 2 years old, his parents divorced and his father moved away from the family’s home in Hawaii. Four years later, his mother married an Indonesian man, Lolo Soetoro, who moved his new wife and stepson to Jakarta.

    “During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominately Muslim school,” Obama wrote in “Audacity.” “In our household, the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf.”

    Obama’s stepfather was a practicing Muslim.

    “Lolo followed a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths,” Obama recalled. “He explained that a man took on the powers of whatever he ate: One day soon, he promised, he would bring home a piece of tiger meat for us to share.”

    “It was to Lolo that I turned to for guidance and instruction,” Obama recalled. “He introduced me as his son.”

    Although Obama wrote of “puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin’s call to evening prayer,” he was not raised as a Muslim, according to the senator’s office. Nor was he raised as a Christian by his mother, a white American named Ann Dunham who was deeply skeptical of religion.

    “Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones,” Obama wrote. “For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness.”

    As a result, he said, “I was not raised in a religious household.”

    Later in life, however, he was drawn to the writings of an influential American Muslim who served as the spokesman for the militant Nation of Islam.

    “Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different,” Obama wrote. “His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me; the blunt poetry of his words, his unadorned insistence on respect, promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline, forged through sheer force of will.”

    He added: “Malcolm’s discovery toward the end of his life, that some whites might live beside him as brothers in Islam, seemed to offer some hope of eventual reconciliation.”

    While working as a community organizer for a group of churches in Chicago, Obama was repeatedly asked to join Christian congregations, but begged off.

    “I remained a reluctant skeptic, doubtful of my own motives, wary of expedient conversion, having too many quarrels with God to accept a salvation too easily won,” he wrote.

    But after much soul searching, he eventually was baptized at Trinity United Church of Christ.

    “It came about as a choice and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear,” he explained. “But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.”

    Obama’s family connections to Islam would endure, however. For example, his brother Roy opted for Islam over Christianity, as Obama recounted when describing his 1992 wedding.

    “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”

    Meanwhile, Obama remained sharply critical of what he called “the religious absolutism of the Christian right.”

    In “Audacity,” the senator wrote that such believers insist “not only that Christianity is America’s dominant faith, but that a particular, fundamentalist brand of that faith should drive public policy, overriding any alternative source of understanding, whether the writings of liberal theologians, the findings of the National Academy of Sciences, or the words of Thomas Jefferson.”

    As for the Democratic Party, Obama observed that “a core segment of our constituency remains stubbornly secular in orientation, and fears — rightly, no doubt — that the agenda of an assertively Christian nation may not make room for them or their life choices.”

    Although the overwhelming majority of Americans describe themselves as Christians, Obama does not believe that any one religion should define the United States.

    “We are no longer just a Christian nation,” he argues in “Audacity,” which was published last year. “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

    Obama calls the Iraq war “a botched and ill-advised U.S. military incursion into a Muslim country.” He is also protective of civil rights for Muslims in the U.S.

    “In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans … have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging,” he laments. “I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

    Sen. Barack Hussein Obama

    » Born: Aug. 4, 1961, in Hawaii to Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham.

    » Education: Graduated from Columbia University in 1983; graduated in 1991 from Harvard Law School, where he was the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review.

    » Family: He and wife, Michelle, were married in 1992. They have two daughters: Malia, 8, and Sasha, 4.

    » Residence: Chicago’s South Side

    » Political career: Served seven years in the Illinois state Senate; sworn in as U.S. senator in January 2005. Serves on the Environment and Public Works Committee, the Veterans’ Affairs Committee and the Foreign Relations Committee.

  2. It was over before it began.
  3. jem


    I wonder whose religious affirmations are more sincere Obama's or Bush's.
  4. Honestly, it seems to me he has an awfully complicated background. Who knows where he's coming from or what he would do? We do see that he deeply admires muslims and islam, is hostile to much of Christian America and is concerned about "civil rights" of muslims in america. Not very encouraging.

    Hillary will utterly destroy him if he crosses her. I'm beginning to think the most likely running mate for Hillary is Bill Richardson.
  5. I posed Richardson as a running mate some time ago.

    He is best choice, as Hillary through Bill gets the African American vote, and Richardson could bring in Latino votes.

    Bitter right wing third party candidate would all but assure Hillary the win, just like Bill in 92 with Perot.

    I think we get a split in the republican party, hard to imagine anything otherwise.

    With Bush running afoul of many in the right wing given his amnesty position on immigration and the Iraq war at least for now, we can see the split.

    Which Republican could bring them all back together?

    Oh by the way, I think if Ahhhnold could run for president, he would win.

  6. Mvic


    Why do so many otherwise intelligent people feel the need to believe in some fairy tale. Are people so mentally and emotionally feeble that they need some fantasy to give meaning to their existance?

    The really funny stuff is those that choose the fire and brimstone fantasy. At least the whole virgin thing is more attractive but methinks that was made up by some old guys trying to get young guys to die in their place.

    Not Richardson (or Clinton for that matter), I remember the whole Wen Ho Lee debacle. The guy doesn't have an ounce of integrity and is just an opportunist. His competence is also highly questionable.

    A good match up would be Guliani/Powell vs. Obama/Edwards
  7. He is Just too young.

    It will be Romney.

    Get used to it.

    Eventually, maybe Obama.


  8. I agree Z that there's somewhat of an ideological split in the GOP. Certainly social moderates like McCain and Rudy will only accentuate the philosophical differences between the religious right and mainstream suburbia. However I see no potential "right wing" candidate with either the political muscle or more importantly the financial wherewithal to mount a serious third party challenge.

    Let's not forget, the Perot thing was a fluke. He was the essence of self funder. Not to mention these campaigns are exponentially more expensive than a decade and a half ago.

    The best hope for the Falwell, Robertson, AAA wing is that the Dem's nominate someone so perceived left (which they will) that right wingers vote for someone like McCain merely as an "anti" vote against Hill or whoever.
  9. Either way, the effect of a party split, may be the same. I have heard several hard right wingers say they won't vote at all in 2008.

    If we do get a moderate republican candidate, where does the hard right wing go?

    Anti Hill may by repubs not be enough.

    All she has to do is win every state Kerry won, and Ohio...

  10. Right. A third party candidate only has to receive a handful of votes to swing the election. Anyone remember Nader?

    Republicans have used a cynical approach to elections for several cycles. Their message has been, vote for us or the scary Democrats will...[fill in blank]" It worked, precisely because the Democrats' level of irresponsibility was frightening. You can only go to that well so many times however, particularly if winning elections requires getting your footsoldiers motivated for heroic get out the vote efforts. Those footsoldiers now feel that they were lied to and sold out by a House leadership that seems to have homosexuals coming out of every closet and an administration that cares more about Mexico than the US.

    The Democrats have two years to frighten ordinary voters enough for the Republican message to resonate again, so it will be interesting to see if they can discipline themselves and lull the voters into a false sense of complacency.
    #10     Jan 29, 2007