Obamacare in deep deep trouble

Discussion in 'Politics' started by 377OHMS, Mar 27, 2012.

  1. Max E.

    Max E.

    Audio of Roberts argument....

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    #31     Mar 27, 2012
  2. Color me skeptical because the US govt has long operated on the premise that it can do ANYTHING that it wants to irrespective of the constitution or Congress. (cases in point Creation of nsa, interstate commerce )
    #32     Mar 27, 2012
  3. Max E.

    Max E.

    Trust me, i am skeptical as well, the way the government has shit all over personal liberty for the last 2 decades, i try to not get overly excited when there is a slight pullback, knowing that it is just a shell game, to create the illusion that they are still being honest.

    Today was the first time in a long time, that i regained a little bit of faith in the system, but i am careful to not get overly optimistic.

    If Obamacare was struck down due to government overreach, one would think it is a slam dunk to get rid of the patriot act as well, but i wont hold my breath.

    #33     Mar 27, 2012
  4. 377OHMS


    Exactly, its important to not read too much into the questions asked by the justices and to wait for the ruling. I'm a little hopeful but as you say it is a bit of a shell game and you never know what might occur.

    It is amusing however to see Harry Reid and others trying to distance themselves from this monstrosity already and rationalizing the whole thing. If Obamacare is killed outright I would pay good money to see Nancy Pelosi's face at the moment she gets the news.

    I hadn't even considered the effect this might have on the patriot act. Interesting.
    #34     Mar 28, 2012
  5. I am for some kind of single payer system, or mandatory purchase of insurance.
    But I can see the argument against. Both sides have a strong argument for the court. What I would like to see is a plan for what we should do if the court strikes down Obama's health care. And if the court upholds the plan on how we can improve it.
    #35     Mar 28, 2012
  6. Max E.

    Max E.

    Nancy Pelosi, when questioned about the constitutionality of Obamacare in 2010: ARE YOU SERIOUS, ARE YOU SERIOUS? :D I would pay good money to be in that room.

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    #36     Mar 28, 2012
  7. Max E.

    Max E.

    Obviously nothing in this ruling would set a legal precedent for the Patriot Act, but I am just hoping that it emboldens people who believe in the constitution to fight back.

    #37     Mar 28, 2012
  8. 377OHMS


    Today is the last day of arguments. Will the justices signal their intent or will we have to wait until June to know the outcome?
    #38     Mar 28, 2012
  9. 377OHMS


    Ok, looks like the justices *have* signaled their intent...to strike the entire Obamacare law down!


    So much for that whole debacle. The "crowning achievement" of the Obama regime is DOA. Nancy Pelosi won't have to read the law because...it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and no Nancy, we aren't kidding. :)

    It looks like Sotomayer will rule against Obamacare along with the conservative justices. Obama isn't going to be happy about that eheh.

    Watch the marxist-leftists scramble now like cockroaches confronted by the kitchen light. Fat chance of passing anything remotely resembling Obamacare in the future. It looks like the system works sometimes.

    By David G. Savage

    March 28, 2012, 8:35 a.m.
    Reporting from Washington— "The Supreme Court's conservative justices said Wednesday they are prepared to strike down President Obama’s healthcare law entirely.

    Picking up where they left off Tuesday, the conservatives said they thought a decision striking down the law's controversial individual mandate to purchase health insurance means the whole statute should fall with it.

    The court’s conservatives sounded as though they had determined for themselves that the 2,700-page measure must be declared unconstitutional.

    "One way or another, Congress will have to revisit it in toto," said Justice Antonin Scalia.

    Agreeing, Justice Anthony Kennedy said it would be an "extreme proposition" to allow the various insurance regulations to stand after the mandate was struck down.

    Meanwhile, the court's liberal justices argued for restraint. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the court should do a "salvage job," not undertake a “wrecking operation." But she looked to be out-voted.

    Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. said they shared the view of Scalia and Kennedy that the law should stand or fall in total. Along with Justice Clarence Thomas, they would have a majority to strike down the entire statute as unconstitutional.

    An Obama administration lawyer, urging caution, said it would be "extraordinary" for the court to throw out the entire law. About 2.5 million young people under age 26 are on their parents' insurance now because of the new law. If it were struck down entirely, "2.5 million of them would be thrown off the insurance rolls," said Edwin Kneedler.

    The administration indicated it was prepared to accept a ruling that some of the insurance reforms should fall if the mandate were struck down. For example, insurers would not be required to sell coverage to people with preexisting conditions. But Kneedler, a deputy solicitor general, said the court should go no further.

    But the court's conservatives said the law was passed as a package and must fall as a package.

    The justices are scheduled to meet Wednesday afternoon to debate the law's Medicaid expansion."
    #39     Mar 28, 2012
  10. Max E.

    Max E.


    Still dont think they will rule on it till june though......

    It wouldnt surprise me if a billion dollars ends up in one of the conservative justices pockets between now and then, compliments of Obama, and his corrupt regime.

    I really wish they would make a ruling TODAY the suspense is going to kill me.....
    #40     Mar 28, 2012