Obama wants 4 trillion dollar deficit reduction deal,republicans want 2

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AK Forty Seven, Jul 10, 2011.

  1. I support all this as well.I 'm fiercely anti war and want both wars ended immediately and defense spending slashed by 400-500 billion a year.With our nukes,military and around half of US households owning guns there is no reason to be spending 700 billion - 1 trillion a year on wars and defense.China an Russia spend 200-300 billion a year on defense and nobody fucks with them yet we keep padding the pockets of defense contractors and war profiteers

    I agree ,close the borders,but lets not put all the blame on democrats.Reagan granted amnesty for illegals and both Bush and the 2008 GOP nominee tried to do so and Bush didn't close the border in his 8 years in office
     
    #11     Jul 10, 2011
  2. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    So did Clinton
     
    #12     Jul 10, 2011
  3. I didn't say democrats were innocent in the illegal immigration problem,I just said they dont deserve all the blame like republicans like to claim.Obama hasn't closed the border in 3 years but Bush didn't do it in 8.Obama's dream act would grant amnesty for fewer illegals then Bush's and McCains amnesty plan and Obama is deporting more illegals then Bush did
     
    #13     Jul 10, 2011
  4. So you fully support voter ID?
     
    #14     Jul 10, 2011
  5. Ricter

    Ricter

    Actually, if you're not going to raise taxes under any circumstances, then it makes more sense to cut spending by the higher figure than the lower. Obama has outmaneuvered the reps by argumentum ad absurdum.
     
    #15     Jul 10, 2011
  6. Progressive politics is how we got here.
     
    #16     Jul 10, 2011
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  9. Eight

    Eight

    I dunno, the Democratic Party cannot survive without the 90-95% Black Vote. That skews what they do so incredibly much that they can't be rational about spending and taxation.

    Blacks are social conservatives largely. When they came out to vote for Obama they also voted for Prop 8 in California and they tipped the balance away from Gay Marriage... so Democrats see that they have these socially conservative people herded into these inner city reservations, they can't get jobs because the far Left has lawyered up and attacked the employers to the point where employers can't take the horrible R/R ratio of hiring a black worker. Blacks have to have public sector jobs [they can't sue] or welfare. So the arguments from the Democrats to sway Black votes have to be about welfare and more government jobs and never about social issues... from that standpoint your argument makes perfectly good sense!! Why not destroy the country to preserve those inner city reservations!!

    For sure, the thinking from the Right sucks as well. Wars, War on Drugs, etc.. who needs it...

    I follow Martin Armstrong. He says that both parties are basically Marxist.. I guess he's seeing that the Right is a fake argument to the Left and both are creeping in the same direction, makes sense to me...

    Neither one is talking about eliminating the deficits entirely... What is the richest economy ever imagined doing? Borrowing money? It makes sense only from the standpoint that bankers are controlling things and they have the biggest possible borrowers on the hook for so much debt that essentially they will own the world. They won't know what to do with it when they have it all, but minor details!!

    The Bible talks about the time when Jesus returns and is consolidating power worldwide, He's dealing with the very people that are perpetrating all these current events of our day. We live in interesting times for sure...
     
    #19     Jul 10, 2011
  10. I would agree that there is no conservative party in the USA. We have a leftist party and a slightly less leftist party.

    You may like this read:

    Progressive Unemployment
    By Clarice Feldman

    The great political philosopher P. J. O'Rourke said, "You can't get rid of poverty by giving people money." If anyone doubted that, the present inhabitant of the White House has proven it by tossing away trillions of dollars on projects that had no lasting effect on eradicating poverty, creating employment, or improving the nation's purse or infrastructure. Indeed, his initiatives have increased unemployment, will continue to do so, and must be reversed if we are ever to get back on track. He has given us all a clear picture of the devastating effect progressive policies have on employment.

    As the week drew to a close, the President and his advisers surely were gasping at the figures. It is what my friend Rick Ballard calls Wreckovery Summer. Most especially 9.2 percent unemployment, a figure significantly higher than what we'd been led to believe, and a figure higher than the 8 percent we were warned we would face if we didn't open the doors of the treasury to create those promised "shovel ready "jobs. Jobs which today the President laughingly admits were not exactly shovel ready...

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/progressive_unemployment.html
     
    #20     Jul 10, 2011