I guess I miss how your arguement relates to the high cost of public employees in Wisconsin, as again, these are as a result of policies from 3 or so decades ago, within the state, not because of war in the last 10 years at the international level. On the other hand I guess we are best off letting people the world around be eliminated by dictators. You may forget Sadam slaughtered his own people as well as used mustard gas on thousands of Kurds. At the same time I agree we have enough problems here to take care of, but it doesn't seem right to just ignore the rest of the world either. I wish our supposed world bodies would do something, but they are just enlarged versions of the individual world governments that see no benefit to anything unless they are getting a payoff, and yes, I do include us in that, and am not proud of that fact.
r-in, if you like pm me where you are, and maybe we can meet up for a beer and bitch about politics and trading.
Lack of responsibility and partisan politics caused these problems country wide. Loyalty in politics is BS plain and simple. It leads to cronyism and people are too retarded in this country to see it. You know what SS should be raised, ppl. live longer. When it was designed ppl. lived for another 5-10 years max, not 20-30 and we had an increasing population. Why do old folks want to keep their medicare but don't want to fund national heath care for younger people. Hypocrites is what they are and that goes for most people in this country. Why do we spend so much damn money policing the world? Let them pay their fair share. I don't want an F-35 POS. If your buddy at Lockheed is losing his job because of it, so sorry, your gravy train has run out. How about some leadership? You want auto workers and public employees to take a cut fine. Then cut the salaries or the executives as well. Lead by example. I like Chris Christie, for the most part. He should cut his own pay too and lead by example. Its a bit disturbing though he is a former lobbyist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Christie
You are right but will you criticize those in the military doing the same? There are a lot of double dippers there, my Step dad retired from the Airforce as a Lt. and then worked in aerospace so did my Uncle?
Huge military supporter, but yes, it's ridiculous to be able to retire fully in your 40's, with any public job, IMO.
Yes, I would criticize them as well. My 1st job out of college was with USAF (contract by university I was working for) and one of our co-investigators was retired from AF at 43, had his PhD (earned while in military) and was now a Prof at the university. Full pension plus salary from the university. Another absurd case was from WSJ article last year. "Pete Nowicki had been making $186,000 shortly before he retired in January as chief for a fire department shared by the municipalities of Orinda and Moraga in Northern California. Three days before Mr. Nowicki announced he was hanging up his hat, department trustees agreed to increase his salary largely by enabling him to sell unused vacation days and holidays. That helped boost his annual pension to $241,000." "In addition to drawing his pension, Mr. Nowicki currently is working for the fire department as a consultant at an annual salary of $176,400 while the department searches for his replacement." "Mr. Nowicki recently turned 51 years old. If he lives another 25 years, his pension payments will cost the fire district an estimated additional $1 million or more over what he would have received had he retired at a salary of $186,000, not including cost of living adjustments, a fire board representative said." So the guy is making over $415,000 per year. Age 50! Complete article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804047828063059.html.html
Scataphagos: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I understand your thinking. If you listen to the Main Stream Press, they will have you believe that the Liberals are in power, they are massing revolt nation wide like "EGYPT". The liberal Scum have given in on everything but collective bargaining. They will give in on that as well. Liberal Scum are weak. Just as weak as Hillary telling Libya that they need to stop this bombing of Civilians...but leaves out what the US will do about it if they do not. Liberal Scum are perceived to be very weak from the Worlds Prospective. We as a nation are perceived to be weak as well right now. The Unions know they are finished. NJ told them so. Wisconsin is telling them so as are many other states hinting to their Union leaders. My money is on the State House in Wisconsin getting everything they want and the Unions loosing.