Obama Birth Certificate Issue Goes to Hawaii Supreme Court

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sg20, Oct 25, 2008.

  1. Yes. Were you dropped on your head as a child?
     
    #241     Jan 22, 2009
  2. Got any money that you'd care to bet on that one?

    Just tell me one suit that you think will actually make it to court. Just one.

    Usurper's ass. Stupid *&%$.
     
    #242     Jan 22, 2009
  3. fhl

    fhl

    Hawaii Statute allowing for Certificate of Live Birth for a foreigner:

    [§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

    (b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

    (c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

    Also, people forget that Obama’s lawyers have already admitted that whatever is in Obama’s bona fides would, “cause a defined and serious injury” to Obama and/or the DNC. During the Federal Circuit Court ruling on Phil Berg’s claim, Judge, R. Barclay Surrick, ruled that any objection or refutation had to be served within thirty days. The Obama team contented itself with a motion to dismiss the case and a protective order. In these motions, Obama’s lawyers argued that revealing the information (birth certificate, citizenship in other countries, college admissions records etc.) would “cause a defined and serious injury” to Obama and/or the DNC. They argued that revealing these documents raises a “legitimate privacy concern” and the above mentioned risk that “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation.” The source of that embarrassment was not specified. That’s why Obama fights the release of his bona fides — “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation.” — his own attorneys said so. http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/2018399:BlogPost:10858 http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2009/03/occidental-obama.html

    Now, why would Hawaii aid a known illegal of British birth in illegally obtaining a fake birth certificate?

    The answer is in 1961 the American public had not yet been providing welfare benefits to illegals. Hawaii had a large population of illegals who were low paid laborer (slave laborers some might say), but were a huge burden to the system in poverty and crime. The Hawaiian answer, as it was a Democratic state and still is was to start registering all those foreign kids by the hundreds of thousands, the purpose being to tap into all those federal hundreds of millions then which would profit the state. Poverty programs flowed funds into the Hawaiian economy. When Hawaii made citizens out of illegals, then Hawaii converted what was once a debt into their asset by obtaining more funds.

    The fact is there are hundreds of thousands of Barack Obama’s registered in Hawaii. Not even a Republican governor sitting on this explosive mess wants any of this coming out. An entire state sold out the United States for filthy lucre, because they were importing Asian slave labor. That does not make a great headline. Nor did they probably ever expect a money train welfare illegal would somehow get himself installed as President, which would expose the entire Hawaiian fraud. Implying a gargantuan fallout, all of those records would have to be gone through and verified so an Obama repeat would not occur, in all 50 states. The nightmare would be the removal of Obama under Quo Warrantus which is being attempted now and 49 other states suing Hawaii for the money it would cost to check all of their records over the Hawaiian fraud. That is why Hawaii is in collusion with Barack Obama. They were involved in massive welfare fraud and do not want this coming out.

    With this kind of background, in families being “informed” of the opportunities involved in engaging in illegal citizenship, one Stanley Ann Dunham, “registered” Barack Obama’s birth in Honolulu. Barry Obama Soetero was tapping into the welfare system of Hawaii, and in knowing what how sublimely talented the Dunhams were at using the system, this takes us into Occidental College.

    Occidental, like many of the colleges in that 1979 period, was tapping into government resources of free money to “educate” foreigners. Gramma and Mama, realize they can get a free education for Barry since he is the son of Barack Sr. and therefore is a British subject.” But now all they have is the bogus bogus Hawaiian birth certificate making him American like scores of other foreign born Hawaiians. However, there is another layer to the rescue; according to the divorce records of Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, Barry was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather Soetero. They tell Occidental this and provide Barry Soetero school records from Indonesia which also list him as a citizen of Indonesia, and Occidental pays for his school expenses with foreign student grants, as well Occidental gets a foreign student grant. Occidental now has a huge problem as it engaged in federal student loan fraud which gave them huge bankrolls to profit off of in exchange for Rothschild plans.

    At the very least in this, Barack Obama is guilty of federal money fraud. As Tom Daschle and Tim Geithner just said “Ooops sorry” and paid it back, it could end there for Obama in the foreign student loans IF he had not shown a pattern for the period from 1971 to at least 1982 in passing himself off as Barry Soetero, resident of Indonesia as an adopted son born of a father of British Kenyan citizenship, all to tap into the American money supply. Occidental College opens up the door to Barack Obama declaring in writing he is not American, but foreign. This progresses to Columbia, where Obama has also sealed away his admissions records yet again. And in 1980 at the age of 20, he goes into Pakistan once again on an Indonesian passport which signifies again Barack Obama is Indonesian since Americans could not get into Pakistan.

    Those records will prove he is an affirmed triple citizen of British Kenya, Indonesia and America, if not Canada registration too. Any part of which disqualifies him for President of the United States.

    There are federal records for these Obama applications for funding in the Department of Education. Recently, Mr. Barack Obama attempting to further smear George W. Bush in releasing Bush documents, has set precedent in revoking executive privilege, perhaps unwittingly so. Now, the Dunham, Obama, Soetero education files are open to the Freedom of Information act as all papers associated with a President are, as Barack Obama made this a presidential issue when he hired attorneys to cover up what was being hidden at Occidental College.

    This is a matter for the Justice Department as it is money fraud of college funds and it is a matter for the Republican minority in Congress to demand and hold hearings investigating this.

    Those records all exist and if someone destroyed them and they are missing, that is a federal crime of which Barack Obama is benefited by, as in he is then a guilty co conspirator in another felony.
    If you get money from someone illegally, and someone else burns the papers protecting you, you are just as guilty as the person who lit the match.

    That is how all of this ties together from Hawaiian welfare fraud, Occidental College student finance fraud and Barack Obama currency fraud defrauding the American public of funds and places of education for its own citizens.

    Russia knows all of this. Media outlets and others attacking “birthers” had better do a reality check on an issue they claim does not exist, because it was just proved it does matter to the people with nuclear missiles (Russia) aimed at America. The real world has just dismissed him as already not being leader of the United States. Obama’s eligibility problem is well-documented even in Pravda. The Russians just slapped the person in the Oval Office across the face today, as Obama gave them all they demanded while indicating he would sacrifice our allies. Every terrorist, every world leader just witnessed and noted what happened. They are coming now for America and this all traces back to the Occidental Obama.
     
    #243     Mar 9, 2009
  4. Good luck with that, heh.
     
    #244     Mar 9, 2009
  5. fhl

    fhl


    Given that Obama's lawyers have stated that the release of the info would cause Obama and the DNC "defined and serious injury" and that "particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation", I'd say that Obama is the lucky one in being able to keep it all a secret. So would any reasonable person. Guess that leaves you out.
     
    #245     Mar 9, 2009
  6. this thread is moot. Obama's in. Get used to it. We can all kick back and watch him fail, which we wouldn't have had that opportunity if McCain won.
     
    #246     Mar 9, 2009
  7. You guys funny. He he.

    Keep up jokes. Jokes good.
     
    #247     Mar 9, 2009
  8. Maybe..........As I doubt anyone would have the cajones to remove Mr. Obama at this point.......

    The real question, for the future, would be why there does not seem to be a system in place to verify eligibility, in an open and transparent structure. This seems to be a problem.
     
    #248     Mar 9, 2009
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    fhl

    … it is only necessary to establish the facts surrounding Obama’s travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in the summer of 1981.
    Although Obama fails to mention that trip in either of his memoirs… not in Dreams from My Father and not in The Audacity of Hope… he made a potentially fatal error when he mentioned the Pakistan trip during an April 6, 2008 speech in San Francisco… the same speech in which he referred to rural Pennsylvanians as “bitter” people who “cling to guns or religion…” In that speech, Obama explained in an offhand manner the value of that trip, vis-à-vis his knowledge of foreign affairs, saying, “I knew what Sunni and Shia was (sic) before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.”
    When questioned about that trip, Obama’s campaign press secretary, Bill Burton, confirmed to the New York Times, and others, that Obama had visited Pakistan in 1981 on his return from Indonesia, traveling there with a Pakistani friend from Occidental College, Wahid Hamid. According to Burton, Obama stayed in Karachi with the family of another Pakistani friend, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo. Obama has never mentioned the Pakistan trip again.
    So it is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. What is not established, and what is critically important, is what passport he used during that trip. There are only three possibilities: Obama could have traveled under a U.S. passport… a passport first issued when he and his mother moved from Hawaii to Indonesia in 1967; he could have traveled under an Indonesian passport, issued following his adoption by his Indonesian stepfather; and it is conceivable that, if he was, in fact, born in Kenya in 1961, he could still have been a British subject, traveling with a British passport. So which is it?
    Unfortunately for Obama, in the present circumstance, Pakistan was under martial law in 1981 and certain undesirables… Christians, Jews, and Americans… were prohibited from entering the country. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list, making a U.S. passport no more valuable than an empty chewing gum wrapper at the Karachi Port of Entry.
    So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.
    It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.
    Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A: Yes, by his own admission.
    Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport.
    Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.
    Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
    If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
    Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.
    Is he a “natural born” citizen, or isn’t he? It seems pretty clear from the available evidence that he is not. If that proves to be the case he should minimize the damage to the country and follow the Nixon example; he should simply resign from office so that we can begin to clean up the mess he leaves behind.


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    #249     Mar 9, 2009
  10. The above referenced material makes sense.
    I wonder what the chances are of the media asking, as Thunderdog likes to say, a really simple question.......

    " Mr. President, what passport did you have / use to travel to Pakistan in 1981 ? "
     
    #250     Mar 11, 2009