Let's take a look at a real "wreaked" economy - the Jimma Cahtah presidency. Double digit interest rates. Double digit inflation. Double digit unemployment. Gas station lineups. Let me know when we get half way there and I'll concede that the economy is "wreaked". Surrender you mean... Good. That was Bill Clinton's attitude - and look where that led... To no effect but to embolden the enemy. You are so naive - and not a very good reader either (I've addressed most of this already). So having no more major terrorist attacks on American soil is a failure. And Lybia giving up its nuke program is a failure. Stopping despots from mass murdering their populations is a failure. Surrounding one of our most dangerous enemies is a failure. Establishing democratic beacholds in the middle east is a failure. But surrendering Iraq - now that's a victory! /sarcasm
Saw this guy's post at another forum and I thought he nailed it pretty well: "this man is a member of the black nazi church had his house paid for by a guy that is probably going to jail for bribing government officials and the media can not even stop and say other then giving a fluff speech filled with hot air what do you have to offer the U.S. as president??? geraldine feraro had it 100% correct!! the liberal media is so far up this guys rear , that they will never do anything to jeprodize the liberal golden boys rise to power!! if he gets elected even the most left wing liberals will yearn for the days of george bush!!! hey any guy who would sell out his grandma who raised him (black family nowhere to be found) to protect a black nazi preacher is a sad human...the worst thing is he probably made up the stuff she allegeldy said!! if he were a regular white guy in the same circumstances he would be forced to pull out of the race!! so maybe osama should be a man and withdraw since the media will never push for that!!!"
couldnt be a dumber post on all of ET. See people, this is why the neoconrepublicans will get their asses handed to them in the fall. (unless there is a 3rd party conservative candidate) gordi feeds on the neocon propaganda like oprah working on a turkey leg.
The most scarey part is these black churches can unite masses who truely believe its about religion...when it is not about religion to its leaders (although its a nice front) its really about power and control for their preachers. But the congregation believes its a fight for god. Pathetic
Well surprise, surprise...it's the P&R forum! I do think there have been some good points raised in this thread. Better than usual. It's a serious question being discussed here.
"Obama will end the Iraq war." Really? How? He's already left himself a huge loophole by saying in effect that he wouldn't leave if al qaeda was there. Guess what? They are there. He will pull out of Iraq about as effectively as Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have pulled us out of there. If he does pull out, we will be looking at another Iran. It was a big mistake to go into Iraq, the occupation was handled with stunning incompetency and there is no way the results have been worth the cost, both in lives and money. But we are there now, stuck with an Iraqi government put into office under the idiotic constitutional scheme we shoved down their throats. Our best bet is to engineer a military coup and work with Saddam II for a few years, then get out.
===================== Pretty perceptive,Trendlover, many of them dont teach/preach the Word; but glad to report most of the larger black churches have Pastors who preach the Bible,true on TV anyway. Strangly similiar to Jim Jones who threw the Bible on the floor one day ; & screamed ''dont look at the Bible,look at me!!!!!''.Typical false prophet. investors.com had some good rebukes on some more strange beliefs of his,lately..
Yes, false prophet, self fulfilling, this seems to be the road Obamas Rev Wright is on. Its white hate. His church seems so liberal on issues of homosexuality and pro choice, but then brainwashes the congregation to see white people as the enemy. What a joke. American people need to question why Obama has attended this church for 20 years. He is an educated man who could have chose another church, but he didn't.