Obama: America will never be second

Discussion in 'Politics' started by bearice, Jan 29, 2010.

  1. Whew ! ... Onerous

    Sad. True. Shocking. Burdensome. Taxing.
    I wanted to laugh at your pristine deadpan insight ... but I couldn't.

    I wonder if the architects of power need the
    whole world to hate the USA a lot for future plans?
     
    #11     Jan 29, 2010
  2. Yannis

    Yannis

    OBAMA AND TRIANGULATION
    By DICK MORRIS


    "Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
    A: None, if it really wants to change.

    Any president, at any time, can choose to embody the consensus his nation has reached after it has engaged in a period of extended debate. That process, called triangulation, involves the embrace of the elements advanced by the right and by the left that Americans have found valid, and the rejection of those from which they have turned away.

    When our nation encounters a new problem, we welcome vigorous debate and encourage each side to articulate its views and elaborate its solutions.

    But, after a time, we have heard enough and want resolution, consensus and implementation. If Obama heeds that call, he can, indeed, turn his presidency around. But if he continues to pursue his leftist, socialist agenda and uses a feigned moderation as a guise for his radicalism, we will not be fooled again. We have been down that road with him before.

    In healthcare, for example, the debate has left most of us in agreement that insurance companies need to be reined in. They should not be allowed to reject those with pre-existing conditions or to raise rates when their clients become sick. We mostly agree that lifetime caps on benefits are unfair. Since each of us could become sick and run afoul of those rules, we oppose them and ask for their reform. On the other hand, we reject the total revamping of the healthcare industry, the reduction of doctor pay, the cuts in Medicare and the mandatory insurance embedded in the ObamaCare legislation. Were Obama to embrace these solutions, he would be able to pass his bill quickly and would be hailed for it.

    But will Obama do it? Will he emulate Clinton and save his presidency by moving to the center? Certainly not before he has lost his control over Congress. It was not the defeat of healthcare that impelled Clinton's change of course, but his defeat in the elections of 1994. Even then, it took six months to turn the battleship around.

    And after he loses Congress? Probably not even then. Clinton was a lifelong moderate who moved to the left when expediency dictated. Obama is a lifelong liberal who pretends to move to the center when he has to.

    A committed socialist, one doubts that Obama would sacrifice his cherished transformative goals for incremental policies.

    But even if Obama did, it might not save him. There is a basic difference between the circumstances that surround the Obama and Clinton administrations. Clinton faced relatively minor problems while Obama is neck deep in recession, deficit and stagnation. Clinton could reshape his presidency by positioning, posturing and passing moderate legislation. But Obama can only succeed by altering outcomes. Americans want jobs, lower unemployment, economic growth, a reduced deficit and an end to the recession. They will not be assuaged or appeased by programs or proposals. They demand results.

    The skills of the spin doctor are wasted on his administration. All the photo-ops in the world and all the populist-sounding rhetoric will not do the job.

    They may provide a short-term bounce -- as will probably follow the State of the Union speech -- but they will become undone with the next week's jobless numbers.

    Just as George W. Bush could not recapture his popularity with new programs for Iraq -- voters demanded a reduction in casualties and then withdrawal -- Obama cannot save his by announcing new ideas. He has to produce.

    All the spin in the world will not save Obama."
     
    #12     Jan 29, 2010
  3. thats bs. the republicans would not vote for their own healthcare plan if obama proposed it. its not about his policies. its about regaining power by hook or crook. right now they feel total gridlock is their best path to wins in the next election. so far its working. as long as joe sixpack can be scared by fox republican news into protesting the very policies that are in their best interests the republicans see no need to cooperate in anything.
     
    #13     Jan 29, 2010
  4. Yannis

    Yannis

    You are talking about the Republicans and the media? The Dems own the vast majority of the media, lock stock and barrel. It's the biggest scandal of the last 50 years that they used that power to put in charge an inexperienced left-wing puppet, and we can all see what's happening to the country and where they want us to go :mad:
     
    #14     Jan 29, 2010
  5. nothing very leftwing has passed. they are trying to unwind the bush policy disasters but cant muster the courage to get tough.
     
    #15     Jan 29, 2010
  6. are you serious or just delusional? people brag on et all the time how fox news owns the media. last i looked it was not very left.
     
    #16     Jan 29, 2010
  7. I will second that.
     
    #17     Jan 29, 2010
  8. First in stupidity for electing his dumb ass.
     
    #18     Jan 29, 2010
  9. U.S. Debt Totals $133 Trillion, China Prime Beneficiary of Fed Money Printing

    Even if the government could somehow pay off that debt at the rate of, say, $100 MILLION PER DAY, EVERY DAY STARTING RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD TAKE 3,663 YEARS BEFORE THE TOTAL GOVERNMENT DEBTS AND OBLIGATIONS ARE PAID OFF.

    Even if Washington were to pay off $1 BILLION per day, it would still take about 366 years before they’re paid off.


    The U.S. Federal deficit at $1.6 trillion

    The officially recognized national debt at $12.1 trillion

    $3.5 trillion owed to foreign investors

    Unfunded national obligations of $106.5 trillion

    Another $9 trillion in cumulative deficits over the next 10 years

    At least another trillion dollars needed for health care reform!

    Grand total: $133.7 TRILLION IN DEBT!

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article15977.html
     
    #19     Jan 30, 2010
  10. Yannis

    Yannis

    Everything proposed or passed so far is very left wing, and the far-far left is theatening every day that now it's the time to turn the country decisevely (towards %$$##@@ socialism) or else...

    Btw, if you want to at least try and be somewhat objective here, Bush's economy was doing great until the Dems took over Congress in 2006 and, through their media strong majority, convinced the public that whatever went wrong after that it was W's fault. A whole global recession and it was his fault? How stupid does one have to be to believe that?

    We can see the very beginning of a change to the better now, but it'll take years to get out of the pit that Obama and his super-liberal masters are throwing us into. Oh well.
     
    #20     Jan 30, 2010