NYSE & Nasdaq

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by wercurna, Dec 14, 2002.

  1. I double confirm that.

    BOLT:D
     
    #11     Dec 21, 2002
  2. Wouldn't having all those axes/shitloads of desperate MM's help with trading vs. one big MM???
     
    #12     Dec 21, 2002
  3. Tea

    Tea

    Whenever one person has an effective monopoly on anything, you always get worse service and worse price than if there is competition. This is especially true with the market making/specialist function.

    Compare how the bid-ask moves and how orders are filled on a liquid Nasdaq stock like MSFT vs. on an equally liquid NYSE stock like GE and you will see how the NYSE near monopoly allows them to play games with what should be a linear order flow like with Nasdaq.
     
    #13     Dec 21, 2002
  4. the worst thing for the nyse is all the naz traders converting to nyse and trying to change the nyse to the very thing they are trying escape on the naz.
    it is the very thing that you guys complain about that us nyse traders are exploiting to make a very nice profit. it requires a different style.
    you already have a choice. if your not happy with specialist fills you can play the ecns. just dont change what works for the rest of us.
     
    #14     Dec 21, 2002
  5. nicely said.


    Instead of complaining about a system --realize there are edges involved for a trader and used them to your advantage.

    If you want NASDAQ than trade it and leave NY alone.
     
    #15     Dec 21, 2002
  6. Actually too

    One more thing

    The NYSE specialist isn't 90% of the volume

    Program trading accounts for 30% of the volume on the NYSE.

    Than you have some floor brokers standing near the posts

    hedge funds, mutal funds, prop traders, daytraders, swing traders, longer term fundamental traders and so forth. The specialist is usually only 20% of the volume.

    But what's great the specialist will always take the other side of a trade if nothing is available. Can't say that with Market Makers.


    Both have advantages and disadvantages.
     
    #16     Dec 21, 2002
  7. As the amount of competition increases, the market share of the specialist goes down. You can argue this however you want, but this is good for the overall well being of the market participants.

    It's all about the economics of it...the well being of people increases as we move from monopolistic/oligopolistic market systems to more competitive one.

    Right now the market specialists have enough power to screw around with orders and make a quick profit while they're at it.

    This is not a situation that will last much longer.

    If you think the NYSE will be like this for much longer you are wrong. It's only a matter of time before the specialists are gone.
     
    #17     Dec 21, 2002
  8. Josh_B

    Josh_B

    Good posts.

    For a pure tape reader, Nyse maybe a better exchange to trade. However; many technicians may prefer OTC markets.

    Josh
     
    #18     Dec 21, 2002
  9. having patience and discipline is key in this market. it's true that money is harder to make recently, however, the market presents numerous opportunities in a given day. my style is scalping, so i'm trying to wait for the right setups and not churn the whole day.
     
    #19     Dec 21, 2002
  10. It seems that the Nasdaq and NYSE are becoming more like each other, but that, as should be no surprise, the changes are uneven and sometimes uncomfortable, especially when they make previously effective or efficient trading tactics more difficult. It's possible that, at the same time that the various financial markets become more uniform, trading in particular stocks, especially the "top tradables," will become more variegated - sometimes more like the "old Nasdaq," sometimes more NYSE-ish, sometimes combining the best of both, sometimes the worst. Initiatives by ARCA and AMEX seem to represent two opposite sides of the process, and it's both typical and ironic that the interaction between the two in fast markets on Nasdaq stocks can be highly disadvantageous to the trader who allows it to take place. The experience of having an ARCA order trapped by AMEX at one price extreme, then left unexecuted while the market moves away, is one that I intend never to undergo again. It's not hard to imagine complications of this and other types continuing to develop and even to proliferate, offering both opportunities and obstacles often at the same time.
     
    #20     Dec 21, 2002