Number of New York traders at all time low

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Grandluxe, May 18, 2014.

  1. How did HFT make me rich????

    Not going to get into an HFT debate again. Anyone who trades for a living knows HFT is legalized front running and has destroyed the integrity of the market.
     
    #11     May 19, 2014
  2. Bob111

    Bob111

    this is imo way to go in finance :D
    management fees. if fund fell apart-close it,rinse and repeat.
     
    #12     May 19, 2014
  3. Bob111

    Bob111

    they are making most of their money from overtimes. lots education required to get to RN. i know one kid,who is into this career. his plan is simple-once got licensed-go to Dubai,make top dollars then come back to USA. sounds good to me.
     
    #13     May 19, 2014
  4. bjw

    bjw

    i don't want to get into an HFT-debate either, but the assumption that markets used to be somehow "fair" then and are not fair now is completely false imo: it has never been fair in the first place. there has been a power shift, the guys and girls that used to have an edge lost it to the hft-folks. i sympathize with or hate neither.
     
    #14     May 19, 2014
  5. xandman

    xandman

    Conversely if they enact HFT legislation, do you guys think there will be a boom in day trading?
     
    #15     May 19, 2014
  6. Bob111

    Bob111

    for a 10001 more time-yes, i agree that the markets never been fair,but what i've observed over my years of trading stocks-they never been unfair THIS MUCH. there is a group of "chosen ones" and rest of us. and i i said many times-unfortunately i see this 'separation' in every sector of US economy..
    think about subpenny orders. we, as a retail -can't even see them in our platforms. cause all we got is a 2 digits of decimal point. can you see the guy,bidding at what appears to be same price,but in reality it's 0.00001 better than yours? can you see this guy in your platform? cause at IB-i can't even see it. forget about placing orders at 0.000001 better.
     
    #16     May 19, 2014
  7. bjw

    bjw

    15-20 years ago we didn't even have a platform, you used the phone to trade against astronomical commissions, outdated price quotes and diabolical spreads.
    i don't think the market has become less fair, on the contrary. i do think there's still room for improvement though obv.
     
    #17     May 19, 2014
  8. bjw

    bjw

    depends on the legislation
     
    #18     May 19, 2014
  9. Bob111

    Bob111

    i wasn't around 20 years ago, can't really speak about that time,but i've been observing things and trade every single day for last 10 years and it's stinks now.
    here is another perfect example how stinky this market is(see pic). at least i'm pretty sure you can buy at ask 20 years ago. no such thing now. no guarantee of any kind.(off course not,when you broker is trading against you and can sell your info for a profit)
    you doesn't seems to be understanding the problem..
    back in a day(20 years or whatever)-here is the bid,here is ask-you want it-you buy. today-you want to buy at ask-oooops...shares gone,right after you click buy(no one was there 5 minutes ago)
    the regulations (and regulators) are against you,not just f** MM.
     
    #19     May 19, 2014
  10. Lowest volume of the year? More traders left the business today.:eek:

    Robots will rule the world.
     
    #20     May 19, 2014