NRA Hijinks

Discussion in 'Politics' started by dbphoenix, Aug 27, 2014.

  1. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Philadelphia
    Demographics of Philadelphia

    The racial makeup of the city as of 2012 was:
     
    #711     Feb 20, 2015
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    You're missing the point - as usual. As long as thugs have illegal weapons, those weapons will be available to all the crazies of the would to obtain. Until you can figure out a way to get rid of them (you can't, we've already figured this out) weapons will still be on the street and any type of legislation put in place will FAIL.

    Continue shouting at the rain, angry little man.
     
    #712     Feb 23, 2015
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    What a load of horseshit.
     
    #713     Feb 23, 2015
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Oh don't worry... they will just hold some gun buy-back events and all those illegal guns will be cleared off the street.

    :)
     
    #714     Feb 23, 2015
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Ah, well that'll handle it. Why didn't fraudchumps just say that in the first place! :)

    Thugs be tradin' they gatz fo' bling sho' nuff.
     
    #715     Feb 23, 2015

  6. What's the point in any laws at all then. I mean someone will always break them. We might as well get rid of all laws. Good reasoning there singed toe.
     
    #716     Feb 23, 2015

  7. Are you talking about the stuff between your ears again?


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

    The source is completely neutral. No NRA and no gun control advocates either. It's a scientific study.

    Why would anyone want to have a gun?

    As the study above shows, self defense is no rational argument for owning a gun. Any martial arts lesson would be more useful here. Especially because these lessons usually also teach respect, self control and non-violent ways to resolve a potentially dangerous situation. At least that's what a good martial arts teacher should do.
     
    #717     Feb 23, 2015
  8. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Regarding that "study". Sure speaks volumes to how well you fare in all those global warming threads when you use statistical nonsense "studies" like that one.

    22 Times Less Safe? Anti-Gun Lobby's Favorite Spin Re-Attacks Guns In The Home

    Is a firearm in your home "22 times more likely" to be used to kill or injure a family member than to be used for protection? Or "43 times more likely?" How about "18 times more likely?" Anti-gun groups and politicians say it is, citing research by Arthur L. Kellermann, M.D.

    Dr. Kellermann's dubious conclusions provide anti-gunners propaganda they use to try to frighten Americans into voluntarily disposing of their guns—in essence, to do to themselves what the anti-gunners have been unable to do to them by legislative, regulatory, or judicial means.

    Kellermann admits to the political goal of his work, saying "People should be strongly discouraged from keeping guns in their homes." ("Gun ownership as a risk factor for homicide in the home," New England Journal of Medicine, Oct. 1993.) Anti-gun groups have seized upon his most recent attempt in this regard, a "study" from which the bogus "22 times more likely" risk-benefit ratio is derived. ("Injuries and Deaths Due to Firearms in the Home," Journal of Trauma, Injury, Infection and Critical Care, Aug. 1998.) The study suffers numerous flaws common to previous Kellermann efforts, including the fact that it is a very small-scale survey of sample jurisdictions that are not representative of the country or even of one another.

    Most significant, though, Kellermann severely understates defensive uses of guns, by counting only those in which criminals are killed or injured. Dr. Edgar A. Suter, writing in the Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia, explains the error in the context of an earlier Kellermann study, which compared family member deaths to killings of criminals:

    "The true measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected—not the burglar or rapist body count. Since only 0.1% to 0.2% of defensive gun usage involves the death of the criminal, any study, such as this, that counts criminal deaths as the only measure of the protective benefits of guns will expectedly underestimate the benefits of firearms by a factor of 500 to 1,000." ("Guns in the Medical Literature—A Failure of Peer Review," March 1994, p. 134.)

    Similarly, criminologist Gary Kleck notes, "More commonly, guns are merely pointed at another person, or perhaps referred to or displayed, and this sufficient to accomplish the ends of the user." (Targeting Guns, Aldine de Gruyter, 1997, p. 162.) Kleck's 1995 landmark survey of defensive gun uses found guns used for protection as many as 2.5 million times annually, a number much smaller, obviously, than the number of criminals killed or wounded. ("Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun," Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Fall 1995.)

    Kellermann's "22 times more likely" study suffers yet another flaw: only 14.2% of criminal gun-related homicides and assaults he surveyed involved guns kept in the homes where the crimes occurred. With a similar sloppiness in his "43 times more likely" study, suicides (never shown to correlate to gun ownership) accounted for the overwhelming majority of gun-related family member deaths he pretended to compare to defensive gun uses.

    Yes, if you're ever held up at gun point, please try your favorite karate moves and see how well that works out for you. I'm serious. Because this forum, at least, would benefit from your experience in that regard.
     
    #718     Feb 23, 2015
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    You can make a law and if someone breaks it, send them to jail or fine them. But that is very different from legislating something that cannot happen.

    There are already laws against murder, yet it still happens. Legislating to take guns from those who by and large follow laws only leaves weapons in the hands of those who commit most of the crimes.
     
    #719     Feb 23, 2015
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    And yet you are on record here saying you own a gun!
     
    #720     Feb 23, 2015