Not Possible....profit On The Screen

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by datstrader, Jun 4, 2009.

  1. mokwit

    mokwit

    "know when its just locals pushing it around vs directional buying/selling"

    This seems to be the crux of the problem from what I have gleaned from talking with former floor traders. The key to making money in intraday futures seems to be being able to distinguish between the two. i.e. when to fade and when to go with it. The only place I found consistency with a big enough R:R was running with the stop runners. Unfortunately it is not that simple as the futures market operates in the second derivative as well as the first derivative - by that I mean moves designed to wrong foot/fake out those who are running with the stop runners (and against the public that operates in the first derivative i.e. at face value). Problem is moves against those running with the stop runners happen very fast. Also a manipulation can be long or short in intraday futures and big enough to force you to make a decision on the position, whereas in daily stocks you know the direction LT is generally long and this makes it much easier to sit through countermoves if your entry is good enough - in stocks as someone said here, you have 2 days to take the trade , whereas in futures it the high R:R entry is there for 2 seconds.
     
    #21     Jun 4, 2009
  2. If you had a dime, could you get a repairman to fix your caps lock key? Seriously, that is considered shouting on the Internet

    Maybe if you learned to use your keyboard, you might find using the screen more profitable...
     
    #22     Jun 4, 2009
  3. xxxskier

    xxxskier Guest

    i can not disagree with what you said. but i would add that while there is no fool-proof way of determining chop vs. beginning of a directional move....there are hints out there. there a few different threads that reveal some of those hints.....the inventory alert thread is one, the ES journal is another.

    here is what i sent a struggling trader via pm today....

    please do not take this the wrong way, but i could tell what i do and you would probably still lose money. the reason, imo, is that even with valid set-ups it is the psychological realm where the battle is won or lost.

    having said that....

    i take 2-3 trades ES per day (sometimes just 1), the fewer trades i make is usually the better. i try to identify early in the day whether the market is range bound and will rotate between known s/r levels (everyone knows the same levels...the trick is knowing when those levels may not hold) versus when the market is breaking out - up or down..and how far it might go and what you will do if and when it does that or does not do that. hesitation will cause you to chase price later after it has already moved.... and the result is poor trade location.

    i use no indicators. i watch MP levels (daily and multiple day composites) for long-term view, and i watch price action and vol. and internals (add, tick, vix, vold) very closely for entry and exit. i use a 2 min. chart, 5 min. chart, 30 min. chart., www.marketdelta.com, and i do my own volume profile analysis., i also look for intermarket diveregences.....NQ vs ES vs YM vs Russel, but i only trade ES.


    good luck.
     
    #23     Jun 4, 2009
  4. Can I do it electronically DOWNSTAIRS? I am afraid of height.
     
    #24     Jun 4, 2009
  5. Sorry how about GO F YOURSELF Better now
     
    #25     Jun 4, 2009
  6. You have too many demons inside you to trade right now. I know u are a much better trader than I probably will ever be, but its pretty obvious you are super stressed, angry, scarred. You need to step away and calm down for a while and try again.

    Coming here on this forum and telling everyone that its not possible to do it because you can't is not fair to people looking for encouragement , who could potentially be great at this.
     
    #26     Jun 4, 2009
  7. Just to give u some tips only a guess but maybe and just maybe tops 10 percent of the people on this site will make it as full time screen traders. The rest will waste countless dollars and time. It is better to hear the truth now then face the facts of losses and wasted time. I'm sorry to blast out verbs, but just tired of the games that people r playing with other peoples lives.
     
    #27     Jun 4, 2009
  8. Ha Ha Ha - This is one of the best posts I have seen from you yet. This one needs to be "sticky."

    You - the King of Caps, is telling someone else to not use them. Oh my, this is truly a gem. ROFLMAO
     
    #28     Jun 4, 2009
  9. datstrader - I'm in Chicago. PM me if you wanna talk shop / exchange ideas.
     
    #29     Jun 5, 2009
  10. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your methodology/strategy when it comes to screen trading and maybe some of us can provide you with some useful ideas. Assuming you trade NQ, since that is what you were trading on the floor, when and why do you enter and exit the market, where do you place stops, etc. Here is my chart for today, 1 trade +8 points on the ES (one of my better trades this week). I entered long because the market was pushing down into support from yesterday’s low and then turned up and the MACD line crossed above the signal line.
     
    #30     Jun 5, 2009