Not 97% but .3% of Climatologists agree.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Sep 16, 2013.

  1. jem

    jem

    all your quotes come from times before NASA proved co2 also cools and before the earth had not warmed for 17 years.

    that is why you need to produce science like this below... not your propaganda.

     
    #841     Nov 18, 2013
  2. American Meteorological Society

    "It is clear from extensive scientific evidence

    that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is

    human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases,

    including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7
     
    #842     Nov 18, 2013
  3. No, CO2 does not cool, it is a greenhouse gas, and it does not act like a thermostat and the earth has warmed rapidly over the last 17 years.

    You are a very confused and ignorant person.

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    #843     Nov 18, 2013
  4. Ricter

    Ricter

    Missing Data from Arctic One Cause of Pause in Temperature Rise
    An uneven set of measurements has resulted in a bias towards cold in global average temperature records, helping create a seeming hiatus in global warming

    By Stephanie Paige Ogburn and ClimateWire

    "Keeping track of our planet's temperature is no easy task.

    "The keepers of such long-term data sets, usually government institutions, know they have to account for numerous variations to keep a consistent measurement of temperatures through time. Without that, it is impossible to know how our world is changing.

    "Yet today's thermometers are not the same as those 100 years ago. The time of day that temperature measurements are taken has changed. Then there's the issue of coverage -- where, exactly, those thermometers are located. In more remote places, there are fewer measurements.

    "A new study finds that some of those missing measurements, particularly in the Arctic, which has recently warmed faster than any other part of the world, may have affected the trajectory of global temperatures in a key temperature data series.

    "Our best measurements only cover about five-sixths of the globe," said Kevin Cowtan, a computational scientist at the University of York.

    "The data series Cowtan examined is put out by the United Kingdom's Met Office Hadley Centre and referred to as HadCRUT4. At first glance, a graph of HadCRUT4 temperature anomalies over the past 130 years or so seems to show a clear trend."

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    #844     Nov 19, 2013
  5. stu

    stu

    But piezoe, neither does it take a scientific background to understand there is no proxy. None of any kind except a phantom one.

    There is no proxy because there is nothing standing in for the measurement of CO2. CO2 is exactly what's being directly measured. Greenhouse gases themselves in a precise record of atmospheric concentration.
    It might as well be argued multiplication is a proxy for math.

    Diffusion correction techniques are standard procedure in ice core sampling. Diffusion processes are a well known part of the science.
    In my opinion, one should be extremely skeptical of people like Salby who want to make a completely unexplained and totally incompatible "correcting" of science for the purpose of giving themselves the appearance they have an argument.

    "...it was Dewar's empirical calculations.." is what you say. Salby hasn't presented any!! His proxy is , as he states, only a belief, not his empirical calculations based upon science. If he had any empirical calculations, then it would be another matter entirely . On the contrary, he is making assertions, not backed by any scientific evidence or empirical fact.

    As far as I am aware there is no sign of a paper whatsoever. He appears more occupied with a lecture tour, a video and a book than scientifically establishing his claims . But maybe that's just his way of building up to writing one.

    Seriously piezoe? If a paper never comes out , what will that most likely tell you?

    Could it not be that, as his claims are not being supported by any scientific evidence outside of a non-existent paper, then it is highly unlikely there is any scientific merit on which a paper can stand?
    Or is no paper merely going to stand-in as proxy for a conspiracy theory against him?

    Salby isn't challenging conventional thinking. He's putting up an unsubstantiated claim against scientific evidence he does not refute.
    At the moment, he's making a living from it .
     
    #845     Nov 19, 2013
  6. JamesL

    JamesL

  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    "Global mean surface temperature
    over the past 20 years (1993–2012)
    rose at a rate of 0.14 ± 0.06 °C
    per decade (95% confidence interval) 1.
    This rate of warming is significantly
    slower than that simulated by the climate
    models participating in Phase 5 of
    the Coupled Model Intercomparison
    Project (CMIP5)."

    Mismatch between the warming and the models. So... the warming is wrong? Lol.
     
    #848     Nov 19, 2013
  8. fhl

    fhl

  9. Ricter

    Ricter

    #850     Nov 19, 2013