so once again... ricter... I say produce the papers... produce the science... stop bullshitting, stop making improper appeals to authority... and show... that adding greenhouse gases to our current environment creates warming. It should be such a simple request... for your "experts". Where are the papers? there should be what 10000 of them?
I completely agree. Sadly, none of those facts you mention prove cause and effect, and there are huge questions remaining to be answered.. That's going to take the work of experts like Salby, and many, many others. Salby's claim that ancient atmospheres contained many times the amount of CO2 we have in the air today is rather interesting, don't you think? He also seems to think that the data is more consistent with temperature being the main driver of atmospheric CO2 content then the other way around. That's also interesting, don't you think? If that were true. What's causing the temperature to go up? Are we causing significant heat pollution, or are we just experiencing natural temperature variation. Is the proxy data being correctly interpreted. Have we let serious errors creep in? I have no idea who is right. But we will eventually know. We could easily be falling for the post hoc fallacy. I am just as concerned, more so really, about killing of flora and maintaining healthy oceans as I am about fossil fuel burning. It is a good idea to conserve resources, and slow entropy's increase, in any case.
No CO2 does not cause cooling in the part of the atmosphere we are interested in. It causes warming of the troposphere and cooling of the stratosphere. We don't live in the stratosphere. This is basic science which you still don't understand. Your ignorance is astounding.
I just did that. You need to read my previous posts. You seem to be blind and ignorant to the obvious.
You're joking right? We raise CO2 by 40%. CO2 is strong greenhouse gas. And you aren't sure what's making the temperatures go up? And here I thought you were an intelligent guy. Guess not. And Salby is barely worth talking about except as an example of a hack scientist.
Jem, THIS is what NASA says...... Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources. AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2 AAAS emblem American Association for the Advancement of Science "The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3 ACS emblem American Chemical Society "Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4 AGU emblem American Geophysical Union "The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system â including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons â are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007)5 AMA emblem American Medical Association "Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Changeâs fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)6 AMS emblem American Meteorological Society "It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7 APS emblem American Physical Society "The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earthâs physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8 GSA emblem The Geological Society of America "The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9 SCIENCE ACADEMIES International academies: Joint statement "Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the worldâs climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10 USNAS emblem U.S. National Academy of Sciences "The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)11 U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES USGCRP emblem U.S. Global Change Research Program "The global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases. Human 'fingerprints' also have been identified in many other aspects of the climate system, including changes in ocean heat content, precipitation, atmospheric moisture, and Arctic sea ice." (2009, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12 INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES IPCC emblem Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change âWarming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.â13 âMost of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely* due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.â14 *IPCC defines âvery likelyâ as greater than 90 percent probability of occurrence. http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
The idea that essentially every science organization in the world (with NONE disagreeing) and Exxon and The Weather Channel and BP and NOAA and NASA and Japanese Met Agency and The Met Office agrees, but somehow only 50% or 0.3% of climatologists do also, is absurd on the face of it and an idea only entertained by the most delusional and ignorant of denialist morons.