Not 97% but .3% of Climatologists agree.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Sep 16, 2013.

  1. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    He's an extremist and a fanatic. You have a better chance of getting Obongo to hand over his blunt than getting futurecunts to debate.
     
    #111     Oct 11, 2013
  2. jem

    jem

    nasa was quoting a debunked survey.

    besides... all you have to do is produce some papers which show us the science that says man is causing most of the global warming.

    nasa recently told you co2 acts as a thermostat in the atmosphere.

    you understand that a thermostat regulates temperature...


    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/


    “Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”



     
    #112     Oct 11, 2013
  3. stu

    stu

    As with the Flat Earth Society, the art of AGW denial is all about manufacturing an illusion that there is a debate.
    Conspirasists and agw deniers making pseudoscientific argument against science and known fact doesn't count as debate.

    Anthropic global warming denial monkeys quoting such things as "Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats" , is selecting a process understood by scientific fact to plant an extremely unintelligent suggestion as if it could be a reasonable one.
    Asserting that increasing carbon dioxide (AGW) will control AGW, is simply mind bogglingly absurd.

    Desperate to persue the path of denial, Flat Earthers also pick out knowledge from recognized science based sources in order to foster doubt against fact and empirical evidence.
    Subjectively selecting certain geopophysical data to make the assertion that some lighthouses are visible much further away than should be the case if the planet were spherical.

    Beggars belief.
     
    #113     Oct 12, 2013
  4. stu

    stu

    Not true. Repeating untruths won't make them true.

    Just over 97% of published climate researchers say humans are causing global warming. Anderegg, William R L; James W. Prall, Jacob Harold, and Stephen H. Schneider (2010). "Expert credibility in climate change". Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 107
     
    #114     Oct 12, 2013
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Find a survey performed in 2013 that shows a 97% consensus among the responding scientists in support of AGW. It does not exist. All the surveys performed in 2013 show under 50% of scientists support AGW.

    Only one survey ever performed showed a 97% consensus in support of AGW and this is Doran/Zimmerman - and they had to parse their results to arrive at this artificial figure. Unfortunately all the AGW supporters keep quoting this figure from a survey performed many years ago while ignoring all the other studies that show far lower numbers. It would be like me quoting a survey of scientists from 800 AD to show the consensus is that the world is flat, while ignoring any opinions since then.

    Let's take a look at the Doran/Zimmerman survey in detail.

    The survey was sent to 10,257 Earth scientists. 3146 scientists responded. Of this total group 82% supported that "human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures". When limiting the result group to a small sub-set of 77 self-declared 'climatologists' then 75 of these supported the above statement leading to a 97.4% figure.

    Of course, the questions asked in the Zimmerman/Doran survey have come under considerable criticism for being completely biased by the scientists who responded to it including this gem - "I’m not sure what you are trying to prove, but you will undoubtably be able to prove your pre-existing opinion with this survey! I’m sorry I even started it!..”

    A summary of the criticism of Doran/Zimmerman can be found here.
     
    #115     Oct 12, 2013
  6. jem

    jem

    1. if stu is going to keep harping on that debunked study...
    I will give you this...

    peer reviewed study from 2013.

    and not no matter how you slice there zero consensus that man made co2 is causing warming.

    2. some scientists say man is contributing to warming with his activity of bunching up in cities and cutting down rain forrests...

    but there is no science saying man made co2 is making a significant contribution....

    for that matter I am unware of any science showing it is making any contribution at all.


    3. of course if Stu and FC were not scientifically ignorant trolls
    they would cease bullshitting and produce the science showing man made co2 is creating warming on earth.

    note all stu does is produce his own specious statements.

    he presents a link to science in about 1 post a year (where I have been reading)



     
    #116     Oct 12, 2013
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's take a look at surveys performed in 2012/2013...

    Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...cientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

    Don’t look now, but maybe a scientific consensus exists concerning global warming after all. Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.
     
    #117     Oct 12, 2013
  8. Here's what NASA, NOAA, and every other science organization in the world say......


    Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.





    Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

    "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2

    American Association for the Advancement of Science
    "The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3

    American Chemical Society
    "Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4

    American Geophysical Union
    "The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system — including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons — are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007)5

    American Medical Association
    "Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)6

    American Meteorological Society
    "It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7

    American Physical Society
    "The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8

    The Geological Society of America
    "The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9


    SCIENCE ACADEMIES
    International academies: Joint statement

    "Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10

    U.S. National Academy of Sciences
    "The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)11


    U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES

    U.S. Global Change Research Program
    "The global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases. Human 'fingerprints' also have been identified in many other aspects of the climate system, including changes in ocean heat content, precipitation, atmospheric moisture, and Arctic sea ice." (2009, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12


    INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES

    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.”13

    “Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely* due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”14

    *IPCC defines ‘very likely’ as greater than 90 percent probability of occurrence.


    OTHER RESOURCES
    List of worldwide scientific organizations
    The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.
    http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php


    http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus


    The above also say jem and gwb are complete idiots. Or Republicans, same thing.
     
    #118     Oct 12, 2013
  9. jem

    jem

    citing to a scientifically ancient debunked study



     
    #119     Oct 12, 2013
  10. No it's been proven. It certainly has NOT been debunked. You, gwb and the other denialists are idiots.

    LOL
     
    #120     Oct 13, 2013