North Korean Nuc. Program

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Brandonf, Oct 16, 2002.

  1. The US doesn't like other countries breaking agreements, but when we break major ones (i.e. with the Missle Defense Shield), well that's different. Or if Israel defies UN resolutions. We are silent on that.

    I'm still optimistic about this. The regime in N Korea doesn't seem as nutty as Saddam or the tyrannants of the middle east. Has N Korea done anything whatsoever relating to terrorism in the last 10-15 years? What makes their nukes any more dangerous than Pakistan's nukes? Pakistan could crumble, Musharaff would get replaced by Islamic radicals, and then everybody is in trouble (India would be their #1 target). Is that likely to happen in N Korea? It doesn't seem as likely that radicals would take over that country. What makes N Korea any more dangerous than China? China seems to make more subtle threats to Tawain than N Korea does to S Korea (plus, remember the China/US spy plane incident a while ago?).

    It would be great if we had a nuclear free world and at the first sign of any country building the necessary reactors, or importing key parts, the world community would stand up and take whatever action deemed necessary (the world nuke police if you will).
     
    #11     Oct 18, 2002
  2. Let's go through each of these...

    Russia: Cold War over, Russia's economy in tatters... Russia and US seek to develop petrochemical relationship between em... conclusion: no need to attack Russia

    China: will only attack China once / if it tries to reabsorb Taiwan... China and the USA will probably face-off against eachother somewhere down the line (the USA seeks to contain China from becoming an economic and military powerhouse, and will probably stir up the Taiwan issue as a pretext for 'containment' of China... the form of containment is unclear presently), and it will make the Cuban Missile crisis look like a minor argument...

    India: Russia's former Cold War ally, now on good terms with both USA and Russia... Indian and US militaries recently completed joint exercises in Alaska, USA which were reciprocated for Indo-US exercises in Agra, India.... USA seeks to use India as a geopolitical counterweight to China and as a significant client for Caspian Sea oil reserves, a joint venture between USA and Russia... conclusion: no need to attack a source of funds and an enemy of a rival...

    Pakistan: Musharraff is a totally compliant lapdog of the USA... in the past Pakistan was a client of both China and USA (both USA and China were using Pakistan as a pawn against India for different reasons).... under US threats if Musharraf didn't comply with overflight rights and logistical support against Afghanistan, Musharraf swiftly allowed US military bases to be established all over Pakistan... Pakistan is a vital conduit for the land oil pipeline from the Russian-American petrochemical relationship in the Caspian Sea, the pipeline initially traversing through Afghanistan... conclusion: Pakistan is a puppet, so no need to attack

    Israel (which also has nukes, you failed to mention this one): Israel is nuclear-capable but is not a declared nuclear power. On this basis, Israel falls into the same category as North Korea. The Indians conducted nuclear tests on behalf of Israel in the Thar Desert (since Israeli territory is too small and the regional political implications for nuclear tests on Israeli soil would have been dynamite), and technologies and results were shared between these two ideologically-aligned (i.e. anti-islamic) nations... there is no desire to attack a country with the most powerful Lobby in Washington, which is more than capable of effecting regime change in the White House

    North Korea: read my previous post... USA doesnt care two hoots about Korea's nukes, since there is no oil to be stolen there by using the nuke issue as a pretext for attack... North Korea may, in the future, come into play as a pretext for the containment of what the USA perceives as regional Chinese economic and military expansionism, should US interests in Asia be sufficiently adversely affected by that of China... in such a case, US policy would probably be reunification of North and South Korea, a CIA sponsered elimination of non-friendly political elements in North Korea, and the establishment of US military bases in North Korea, right in China's backyard....

    General point: There is no carte blanche policy vis-a-vis the USA... it will chop and change, appear hypocritical and defy international law if necessary, and in accordance with fluid economic and geopolitical interests...
     
    #12     Oct 18, 2002
  3. With WTO membership, the Olympics in 2008, a rapidly expanding economy,etc, China has too much to lose by starting some problems with Tawain. Now the US, may in fact be the aggressor here. Do they want to see China become the largest economy in the world with one of the largest militaries? Hardly. But what are we going to do? It'd be absurd to put ourselves in harms way of their ICBM's over Tawain.
     
    #13     Oct 19, 2002
  4. The USA has already signed a defense pact with Taiwan and continues to supply Taiwan with military equipment... given that China regards Taiwan as part of its territory, the US is simply acting like judge and jury on the issue...

    The hegemonistic activities of the US lead to a great deal of global hatred... this hatred for the US is not, as George Bush says, about people "hating freedom"... such a simplistic explanation befits the IQ deficiency that defines the Bush Administration... rather, the hatred is simply a response to global US hegemony... people should ask themselves why the civilised world loves Canada but hates the USA... the answer lies in the respective foreign policies and activities of these two nations... the parameters of Canadian foreign policy lie within civilised norms, whereas the USA behaves like a hegemonistic terrorist, and is, in the eyes of the civilised world, just as bad as Al-Quaeda...
     
    #14     Oct 19, 2002
  5. vvv

    vvv

    hehe, well put.:D
     
    #15     Oct 19, 2002
  6. Josh_B

    Josh_B

    Why The USA?

    Introduction
    This section attempts to answer the question: why is the USA so frequently the victim of resentment around the world?

    The USA government blames hatred of democracy and envy at the American way of life for this resentment. Many people in the USA and a majority around the world look towards USA foreign policy for the answers. Much of this policy, its history and consequences is under-reported by the American media.

    Tables and Lists of USA Actions Since 1945

    USA Backed Coups
    http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa01.html

    USA Invasions,
    Bombings, Military Aid
    Political Interventions and Sanctions
    http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa02.html

    Use of the Veto on United Nations Resolutions by the USA
    http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa03.html

    Involvement of USA Companies
    http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa04.html

    USA: Nuclear, Biological and Chemical
    http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa05.html

    Civilian Victims of USA Foreign Policy
    http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa06.html

    Some of our Korea activities:

    ...The USA drops 70,000 gallons (265m3) of napalm per day on Korea. This is a substance made from benzene, polystyrene and gasoline that catches fire and sticks to flesh. The victim is either burned to death or suffocated by lack of oxygen...

    ...During the war in Korea, USA aircraft drop a number of diseased objects (feathers, bacteria, decaying animals, fish parts) in Korea and China. Many people die from plague, anthrax and encephalitis...

    ...Between 1967 and 1969 the USA sprays Agent Orange over 23,607 acres (95km2) in the border region between North Korea and South Korea. Agent Orange is a defoliant and contains dioxin, a chemical producing cancer and genetic defects in babies..


    Maybe better educated public, will help forge a better foreign and domestic policy. A policy of progress, civilization, and true respect for what this country stands for. We need to be a leader by example and not by force.

    I just hope cool heads prevail


    Josh
     
    #16     Oct 19, 2002
  7. Josh_B

    Josh_B

    April 22, 1997
    Web posted at: 11:20 p.m. EDT (0320 GMT)

    S. Korea: Defector says N. Korea has nuclear weapons

    SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- A high-ranking North Korean defector maintains that North Korea has nuclear and chemical weapons capable of "scorching" South Korea and Japan, South Korea's intelligence agency revealed Tuesday.

    In Washington, State Department spokesman Nicholas Burns declined comment on the allegations. But he said the U.S. remained concerned about North Korean development and sales of missile technology, and would challenge the nation on that issue during talks May 12-13 in New York.

    http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/22/briefs.pm/korea.defector/



    Josh
     
    #17     Oct 20, 2002
  8. ojo

    ojo

    USA must protect japan

    we have a contract to do so!!
    Thats why Japan has been paying all the wages and expenses for the american army and navy in Japan!!

    this is the most dangerous situation both japan and USA encountereed since WW2!!

    help Japan!! ur Wife!!
     
    #18     Oct 20, 2002