The fact he thinks the art world is somehow meaningful in terms of understanding stock markets and commodity prices just illustrates he doesn't have a firm grip on reality. Almost every post he puts up is a running thesis of some type that the world's economy will crash worse then 2008/2009 at some point and it's inevitable. I believe he never trades, and he begrudges anyone who got on board owning US indexes in 2009 and 2010 and made some pretty "easy" money. Well, easy only if one had the foresight and guts to invest in an environment where media and eccentrics like S2007S were about as bearish and fearful in nature as one could be at the time.
This is the kind of opinion I expect from a guy who appears to be basically uneducated in finance but self promotes themselves on a trading site.
Just because you don't see it now doesn't mean it wont exist in the future ...QE is to thank for higher asset prices not just here in the us but everywhere around the world and art prices surging has every bit of QE involved in it as well...
You lack the expertise to make such a claim. Your main role on here seems to be a kind of financial huckster ( used car salesmen approach ). In other words, you spend loads of energy making noise trying to appear to have financial knowledge. Do I care what you think on this ? Definitely not, my education is quite strong and that allows me to see right through guys like you, but I don't doubt there are people out there you can fool with your approach. Whatever works for you buddy.
Nah there isn't a bubble in this highly sophisticated art world... Just read between the lines.... There is even someone in the article mentioning that there isn't a bubble...where have I heard that one before? http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/29/business/with-art-investing-in-genius.html?_r=1&referrer= With Art, Investing in Genius Andy Warhol’s “Triple Elvis (Ferus Type)” sold for nearly $82 million this month. It is from the ’60s, his most sought-after period.ANDREW GOMBERT / EUROPEAN PRESSPHOTO AGENCY NOVEMBER 28, 2014 Common Sense By JAMES B. STEWART If there were any remaining doubts that “making money is art,” as Andy Warhol famously pronounced in his 1975 book, “The Philosophy of Andy Warhol,” they were surely vanquished on Nov. 12. His silk-screen print “Triple Elvis (Ferus Type),” an image taken from a Hollywood studio publicity shot showing Elvis Presley with a gun,sold for nearly $82 million at a Christie’s auction packed with bankers, hedge fund managers and art dealers.In just two weeks this month in New York, the auction houses Sotheby’s and Christie’s sold over $2 billion in art, a record for major New York fall auctions. The billionaire investor Steven A. Cohen paid over $100 million for a Giacometti sculpture. A Manet sold for $65 million, two by Mark Rothko for $45 million and nearly $40 million, a Georgia O’Keeffe for $44 million and a smallJasper Johns American flag for $36 million.The lofty sums stunned even longtime art market watchers. “It’s phenomenal,” said Michael Moses, a founder of the Mei Moses Fine Art Index, a widely followed measure of art prices, and a retired professor at the New York University Stern School of Business. “At the Christie’s postmodern and contemporary sale, the average compound return was 20 percent annualized. That’s amazing.”For better or worse, fine art is now firmly planted alongside equities, bonds, commodities and real estate as an asset class. Financial terms like “compounded rates of return” have elbowed their way into the traditional vocabulary of connoisseurship even as art’s old guard has trouble with the word “sell.” CHRISTIE'SThis month’s record sales left some dealers and collectors talking about irrational exuberance and a potential bubble, especially in the soaring contemporary-art market. But Evan Beard, who leads Deloitte’s art and finance practice in the United States, said he didn’t agree. “If you were seeing second-rate works selling for huge values, then you’d say there’s dumb money out there,” he said. “But the works selling for these high multiples are important works that art historians have deemed innovative and have had influence. People want to own original works of genius.”Mr. Moses said that it was hard to describe the art market as exuberant, when overall returns — about 3.5 percent annually — have barely outpaced inflation and have trailed equities and, in recent years, even fixed income. He noted that it was contemporary and postwar works that had shown the biggest gains. “The single most surprising change in the art market is the relative increase in the value of recent art,” said David Galenson, a professor of economics at the University of Chicago who has done groundbreaking research into valuations in the art market.While some art historians, curators and dealers bemoan the emergence of fine art as just another economic asset class, “art and money have always been joined by an umbilical cord of gold,” Professor Galenson said. “The Renaissance ideal has gone the way of the dodo bird. I say, Get over it. Steven Cohen doesn’t make any pretense of being an art history major. Maybe he’s the Andy Warhol of collectors.”In a recent survey of art professionals by Deloitte, 76 percent said collectors viewed art, at least in part, as an investment — up from 53 percent two years ago. And 72 percent said their clients’ primary reason for buying art was related to the “social and networking scene” and the status associated with buying art, compared with 59 percent in 2012.Given the money involved, it probably shouldn’t be surprising that bankers are treating art like any other asset class, which, in turn, is helping drive up prices and create a more liquid market. More banks are lending against art as collateral. Some are even starting to createcollateralized debt obligations with art as the underlying asset — much as bankers packaged subprime mortgages before the financial crisis.John Arena, senior credit executive for fine art at U.S. Trust, said the bank had a long track record in art lending and had billions outstanding in loans guaranteed by art. “Contemporary and postwar art is the driving force,” he said. “The trajectory has gotten steeper, and the loan requests have gotten much higher. In contemporary art, you’re dealing with a younger generation of collectors, who are comfortable with the economic aspects of their art. They’re leveraging it and using it to take advantage of other investment opportunities, while still being able to enjoy it and keep it on their walls.”He said U.S. Trust would lend up to 50 percent of a work’s appraised value but that it wasn’t packaging the loans into C.D.O.s. “I’ve heard people are doing that,” he said. “But it scares me. That’s not our game.”The soaring prices are being driven by market forces rather than any aesthetic or artistic awakening, Professor Galenson said. “Aesthetics have nothing to do with it.”What does matter, Professor Galenson’s research suggests, is innovation by the artist. “It’s really incredibly simple,” he said. “Valuable paintings are innovative. Valuable artists are innovators. Cézanne did his most influential work at the very end of his career, Picasso at the very beginning, when he invented Cubism. Nineteen sixty-two is when Warhol started using mechanical reproductions and photography and reinvented modern art. His works from the 1960s are the very most expensive. Those from the 1980s are much less.”Mr. Beard, of Deloitte, said he found Professor Galenson’s research persuasive. “That you saw the ‘Triple Elvis’ sell for so much has nothing to do with its aesthetic value or coolness or hipness and everything to do with the fact that historians agree that Warhol with this work influenced art history,” he said.In this respect, the auction catalog may be more important to a work’s value than the art itself. Monet’s portrait of Alice Hoschedé may be very beautiful, but its sales price of $33.8 million represents a compounded rate of return of just 5.4 percent since its last sale, according to Mr. Moses. And for Impressionist and modern works as a whole, the average was only 3.9 percent.By comparison, consider the work of the Japanese artist Kazuo Shiraga, who died in 2008 after becoming a Buddhist monk. Mr. Shiraga is hardly a household name, and he didn’t figure in the headlines from this month’s sales. But his “BB56” sold for $4.9 million, which represents the single best compounded rate of return — 53 percent — of any work sold this month, according to Mr. Moses’ calculations. (The work last sold at auction in 2008 for a little over $300,000.)The description of the work from Christie’s catalog hits all of Professor Galenson’s benchmarks.It’s innovative: “Painted directly with the artist’s feet as he suspended himself above the canvas from a rope hanging from the ceiling, the painting represents a unity of the central tenets of postwar abstraction with performance art.”And it’s from the most influential period of the artist’s work: “Painted in 1961, ‘BB56’ dates from a highly significant time for the artist,” the catalog description says, adding that 1962 “was the year in which Shiraga was given his first solo show outside Japan, at the Galerie Stadler in Paris, where this painting was exhibited.”That it may look, to some, like a child’s finger painting is irrelevant. “A lot of contemporary art is aggressively ugly,” Professor Galenson said. “That doesn’t matter in terms of its value.”
Apparently the art market is alive and well. If you have spare cash it may be of interest as an investment. The trend is and has been for decades up AND up. Probably not touched it's ceiling yet BUT............... Not everyone who has invested in art has made money. Fashions are manipulated by the connossieurs. They are the boys that are at least one step ahead of Joe Public. One famous character would recce the art exhibitions looking for new undiscovered as yet, talent and offer them a deal on ALL their works. Then he promotes this exciting new find to his colleagues and you guess has the clout to make more millions. He had a warehouse full of this art work that er had a mysterious fire and oh dear lost a lot of the lesser pieces which were more than adequately covered by insurance.