Nobody to match Bush

Discussion in 'Politics' started by aphexcoil, Jul 5, 2003.

  1. Oh yea, you fully understand now, we are out to support SH...sure, right.

    What a spin job.
     
    #311     Jul 18, 2003

  2. Once again Doubter proves to be the useful idiot.

    Liberals are pleading with the administration to bring in allied forces, (what the f%*k happened to the vast "coalition of the willing" we were told over and over about - more f-ing lies) to increase security, to bring law, order, and life back to Iraq - to relieve our boys and bring them home ALIVE.

    We were against this folly from the outset yes, but we are now the only voice of sanity in securing the peace.

    Our fear is that this administration in it's arrogance and diplomatic impotence will squander this opportunity just as it has squandered the solidarity of the post 9/11 world, and just as it has squandered the fortunes of this nation on its own privileged patrons.

    But Anne Coulter, yeah, she's got it all figured out.
     
    #312     Jul 18, 2003
  3. Optional - From what I know of you I wouldn't believe that you support SH. But there are some ominous clouds on the horizon that we would be well advised to watch. SH might take encouragement from wherever he can but I wouldn't want to be in the line that gives him aid and comfort.
     
    #313     Jul 18, 2003
  4. Tater - You want to get rid of Bush. SH wants to get rid of Bush. Looks like allies to me. Maybe just political bedfellows?
     
    #314     Jul 18, 2003
  5. wild exaggeration. at the other end of the spectrum, nearly all of the current group avoided, during wartime, the services they now command. something in the middle might be preferable.

    bread and water is not necessary. but while men are dying in combat and being told their deployments have been extended indefinitely, it is not unreasonable to expect those that sent them there to limit entertainment and vacation activities.
    no, withdrawing now would make the disaster even worse.

    the depiction of the soldier was crass and probably unecessary - there is plenty of material to use in criticizing bush that doesn't trivialize the death of a soldier.
     
    #315     Jul 18, 2003
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    Polls show overwhelmingly that Americans do not trust President Bush to revive the failing economy. They're just as concerned with the Administration's assault on civil rights, civil liberties and the environment. Last week in New Orleans, Presidential Advisor Karl Rove said that this will be a "close, competitive" race. If all of us get involved, it won't just be tight. We'll win.

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    #316     Jul 18, 2003
  7. OMG. There are chimps in cages that exhibit higher levels of reasoning and logic.

    Sadly though I'm not really all that that surprised. The right has embraced the devolution of political discourse and has relentlessly employed the most despicable and base tactics to destroy opposition and silence dissent. Your thoughtless parroting of their memes only illustrates the point.

    Of course the "enemy of my enemy is my friend " is a cornerstone of near-sighted right-wing foreign policy - little wonder it has led to such disastrous ends.
     
    #317     Jul 18, 2003
  8. SH is going to do whatever he damn well pleases. What those people who speak out against the adminstration have nothing to do with his behavior.

    Since when has he ever reacted to public opinion pro or con?
     
    #318     Jul 18, 2003
  9. All the howling and slinging insults just makes it seem the points are getting close. If you are standing by the target don't complain when you get hit by an arrow.
     
    #319     Jul 18, 2003
  10. Released: July 18, 2003
    Bush Job Performance Slips to 53% Positive, 46% Negative; More Voters (47%) Say It's Time for Someone New Than Say He Deserves Re-election; Two-in-Three Say it Makes No Difference if WMDs Are Never Found, According to Newest Zogby America Poll



    President George W. Bush's job performance rating has slipped to 53% positive, his lowest since the terrorist attacks in 2001, according to a poll of 1,004 likely U.S. voters by Zogby International. His negative rating reached 46%, just under his pre-9/11 unfavorable of 49%:

    Voters rate only President Bush's performance in the war on terrorism positively, 59% - 40%. Opinion is split on foreign policy, 49% positive compared to 50% negative. His performance on health care is rated 36% positive, 61% negative; the environment, 31% positive, 65% negative; taxes, 45% positive, 54% negative; and jobs and the economy, 33% positive, 66% negative.

    For the first time, more likely voters (47%) say it's time for someone new in the White House, compared to 46% who said the President deserves to be re-elected.

    While nearly six in ten (57%) respondents say they have a favorable opinion of the President as a person, 42% now say their opinion is unfavorable.

    A plurality (48%) of likely voters say they would choose President Bush over a Democratic candidate (43%) if the election were held today, compared to June polling by Zogby International where 44% would choose Bush and 37% would favor any Democrat.

    A majority (50%) of respondents say the United States is headed in the right direction, while 44% say it's the wrong direction.


    Support for the War

    Support for war in Iraq has eroded. When asked if the country had to do it over again, nearly six in ten (59%) said they would support a war against Iraq, while 40% say they would oppose it. In April 2003 polling by Zogby International, 75% supported the war then underway, while 22% opposed.
    Will WMDs be found in Iraq?

    Voters are nearly equally split on whether or not the US will find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, with 47% saying they will not be found, and 45% believing they will. Two in three (67%) say it makes no difference if they are ever found, while 23% say they would be less supportive of the administration, and 9% say they would be more supportive if they aren't found.

    When asked if they would be more or less likely to vote for President Bush in the next presidential election if weapons of mass destruction are never found, an overwhelming majority (75%) of respondents said it would make no difference. One in five (20%) said they would be less likely to vote for him, and 5% said they would be more likely to support him.

    Sentiment is split on the subject of public Congressional hearings about the reasons used to justify a war in Iraq. Just over half (52%) said public hearings should not be held, while 45% favor them. More people fault the CIA and other US intelligence (36%) than the White House (31%) as responsible for the confusion about the number and types of weapons of mass destruction that Iraq supposedly possessed.

    Pollster John Zogby: "What has been propping up the President in the past few months is his personal favorability rating. To me, what is most ominous is this alone has slipped 9 points in the past month. If he cannot count on a large majority of Americans to like him personally, this could spell doom for his re-election hopes because he has little support for his overall performance and how he is rated on the issues."

    The Zogby America poll of 1,000 likely voters was conducted from Zogby International headquarters in Utica on July 16-17, 2003. The poll has a margin of error of +/- 3.2%.
     
    #320     Jul 18, 2003