No federal Budget?

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by jasonc, Jun 22, 2010.

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    #31     Jun 27, 2010
  2. piezoe

    piezoe

    Of course it is not all the Republicans fault. Both parties made serious mistakes and both were irresponsible. Frank was clearly remiss in not recognizing growing problems at the GSEs before he did. Sadly for the Republicans, however, the problems became acute during a Republican administration, and the quintessential Republican, Mr. Greenspan, played a major role -- he was the chief regulator who ironically did not believe in regulation. So naturally the Republicans, who eagerly embraced the Greenspan "doctrine," are going to be blamed, not entirely without justification, even though both Democrats and Republicans were too willing to ignore the warning signs and trust in Greenspan's insistence that markets, if left alone, will self correct.

    The time for blaming Democrats is still ahead. They won't be able to get medical costs under control, thanks largely to the Republican's insistence on blocking the public option, and they won't be able to bring medicare costs under control either, thanks to the medical cartel. Furthermore, they will have no answer to the vexing problem of there being no money to pay back the Social Security Trust fund. We'll all be mad at the Democrats a few years hence.

    In the meantime we are mad at incumbents and will do our best to throw them out in November, especially Democrats, who after two years of dropping money from the skies could not make unemployment go away. This will only make Senators and Congressmen less secure and therefore more populist than ever. That won't do a thing for fiscal responsibility.
     
    #32     Jun 27, 2010
  3. Mav88

    Mav88

    dude, do you understand that the democrats had a congressional supermajority? Look at your thought process, you are actualy blaming republicans for Reid and Pelosi's inability to pass a bill that required no republican votes.

    Remember Massacusetts? all the republicans fault I suppose that the people in a liberal state don't want this stuff.
     
    #33     Jun 28, 2010
  4. piezoe

    piezoe

    It takes two Houses to pass legislation.

    It is rather obvious, isn't it?, that the Democratic leadership does not, or perhaps can not, exercise the tight lock-step control over their members as does the Republican leadership. You could not get all the Democrats in the Senate or House to agree on hardly anything, let alone something as contentious as a major health care bill.

    I would rather herd Republicans any day over Democrats. At least all the Republicans are elephants. This is not true of Democrats. All of the "Democrats" from the Deep South are elephants too! Don't be fooled by their well-pressed donkey costumes. Look at Gene Taylor, for example. When, I ask you, is the last time he voted consistent with his donkey costume? Probably it was when the House passed a resolution honoring mothers on Mother's Day!

    You're obviously a bright guy, so I know you are joking when you imply that Democrats should be able to easily pass legislation without Republican votes. That would only be true if all the Democrats were real donkeys.
     
    #34     Jun 28, 2010
  5. wjk

    wjk

    From the election until recently, the dems had a supermajority. They needed republican votes for one reason only:

    To blame them when they (and we the people) actually found out what was in the legislation they were voting on.
     
    #35     Jun 28, 2010
  6. Mav88

    Mav88

    sure, but that's a democrat problem. how is it constructive for you to blame republicans for it?
     
    #36     Jun 28, 2010
  7. Mav88

    Mav88

    We are only beginning to see the lies that was health care. Obama proclaimed we had to do it because it saved money. Now there was a piece of additional legislation shot down by democrats because it asked for more money for doctors.

    So the piece of crap health bill is going to increase costs, already. When faced with their own lies so soon, they had no choice but to vote against it, especially in an election year.
     
    #37     Jun 29, 2010
  8. zdreg

    zdreg

    Obama does not believe in free markets he is a corporatist which is arguably a variant of being a socialist. price controls, currency devaluation and inflationary budgets are his stock in trade. historical examples are mussolini and juan peron.
     
    #38     Jun 29, 2010
  9. piezoe

    piezoe

    You make a very good point! It was BOTH Republicans and Democrats that, for example, killed the public option on the Health care Bill. I think of it as being killed by the Republicans, I suppose, because they led a concerted effort to kill it by speaking with "one voice". But certainly, some Democrats can also be said to have killed it, and those were mainly the Democrats that tend to vote with the Republicans on quite a few issues. Some of the latter, Gene Taylor is the example I used, have close to a 100% Republican voting record on virtually all the more contentious issues. Consequently, I think of members like Taylor as Republicans, since that's the way they vote, even though they are nominally Democrats.
     
    #39     Jun 30, 2010