No day trader on this planet can make yearly profits

Discussion in 'Trading' started by teewoods, Nov 13, 2019.

  1. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks


    I find it surprising trade size would be dictated by an "expected" gain.

    For myself, specific signals along with a volatility factor will dictate size. Using the "singles" metaphor, assuming one of my garden variety signals, volatility all but guarantees a single, so **IF** high volatility is present in those cases, increased size is used. With my less general (i.e. much more specific) signals, volatility (or expectation of) is included in the signal already.
    I NEVER add size for PnL metrics. For day-trading indexes, my vanilla size is 3. Increased size is multiples of 3. I am also all-in-all-out, no scaling in or out.

    I am not challenging or suggesting anything. More likely I've glossed over or misinterpreted some part of the discussion.

    Trade On!
     
    #241     Nov 21, 2019
  2. Good recommendation, will read it. I always thought their edge was front running.
     
    #242     Nov 21, 2019
  3. speedo

    speedo

    It's true that trading dozens of contracts in this environment of 2-300 size levels is more problematic than at times when there are 4 figure levels but only slippage will tell you when you are too big....that and margin capital but that comfort level and risk tolerance varies considerably among traders.
     
    #243     Nov 21, 2019
  4. Good question.

    The reason I am trading a piddling amount right now is because I want to know whether my research actually works in real life. It seems to.

    I do size with volatility but what other signals do you use?
     
    #244     Nov 21, 2019
  5. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks

    I am reliant on volume and price-pane geometry.
    For me, volatility is present in volume, and manifests itself in the price-pane.
     
    #245     Nov 21, 2019
  6. What is volume and price-pane geometry? I agree volume can be a reflection of volatility but I don't use it as such.
     
    #246     Nov 21, 2019
  7. trader1974

    trader1974

    upload_2019-11-19_10-8-33.png Speedo, the 3 operations you took, are 3 individual operations or are the 3 part of a single operation?
     
    #247     Nov 21, 2019
  8. trader1974

    trader1974

    Wouldn't it be better to perform only the first operation but with triple the contracts?
     
    #248     Nov 21, 2019
  9. speedo

    speedo

    Separate, I don't know when a move is going to run. If it does it often gives a number of entries (like the example), if it doesn't, I don't worry about it.
     
    #249     Nov 21, 2019
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  10. trader1974

    trader1974

    For this to work, there must be momentum, otherwise everything is noise, you use some indicator to measure the momentum or you simply look at the price range
     
    #250     Nov 21, 2019