No Bullets....vix At 16 And Collapsing

Discussion in 'Trading' started by grimer11, Feb 9, 2004.

  1. gam1111

    gam1111

    What firm is S.D.?
     
    #121     Feb 27, 2004
  2. S.D. is not a firm.

    It is short for San Diego.

    :D
     
    #122     Feb 27, 2004
  3. MrDinky

    MrDinky

    #123     Feb 27, 2004
  4. Victor Niederhoffer &
    Trend Following


    Niederhoffer's Response

    Victor Niederhoffer, who had massive trading losses several years ago (trading short-term strategies), outlines thoughts about trend following in the most recent issue of Technical Analysis of Stocks and Commodities magazine. Some Niederhoffer quotes:

    ...even if you could measure the uncertainty and even if they had measured it and even if it wasn't counterbalanced by all the reversing markets, the cycles are always ready to change.
    ...getting back to trend following, how do you study whether trend following works or not? There need to be some tests. There need to be some years considered, certain markets considered. There needs to be a measure of uncertainty and a testable hypothesis. I've never seen it. And then there has to be the query, assuming that it showed a certain degree of statistical significance and a positive expectation: how will the laws of ever-changing cycles affect it?
    Yes, Trend Followers understand markets change. That's why trend following strategies adapt to change (why trend following works).

    Niederhoffer, like so many, ignores the bottom line success of trend following. To accept any of what Niederhoffer says is to ignore the existence of Bill Dunn, Jerry Parker, Richard Dennis, John W. Henry and many others.

    Client Feedback on Niederhoffer I
    I had to chuckle when I attended the Futures Industry Association in Boca Raton earlier this month, and found, in a free copy of Technical Analysis of Stocks and Commodities magazine, an interview with Victor Niederhoffer. Perhaps you've already read the article, but in one section of the interview, Niederhoffer says that trend following doesn't work, and is doomed to failure...I had to laugh because I thought here's a guy who blew up his own trading account in a spectacular fashion, and he's knocking systematic trend following? His own comments demonstrate he has no real knowledge of what systematic trend following is all about. Keep up the great work.

    Client Feedback on Niederhoffer II
    Funny, I was always planning to email [about] Niederhoffer anyway, but the piece above prompted me to do it sooner. On a very simple level, Niederhoffer is the reason you have $1000 of my money [for the TurtleTrader course] and why I'm currently working my way through the manual. I read his book because it was recommended in a couple of other books I enjoyed. Although I thought the section on horse racing and trading was fascinating, most of the book struck me as self-indulgent twaddle, but great fun nonetheless. However the key thing I got from the book was an adverse reaction to Niederhoffer's trading style. I felt that despite his frequent discourses about statistical analyses and the endless tables in the book, the strongest message that came out about his trading style was that he was trading with his ego, for the thrill, and to prove to the world that it was wrong and he was right. About a month before reading the book, around this new year, I got out of the market myself as I could see that my discretionary trading was running down my equity. Then Niederhoffer's book (not to mention what happened to his fund) confirmed to me that what I'd done was right -- for me. To get some follow-up I thought I'd search the web for articles about the demise of the shoeless wonder [Niederhoffer nick name], and what do I stumble across but the TurtleTrader [site], just at the point in my trading apprenticeship where I was searching for a system. Curious how these things fall into place.

    Niederhoffer's Response
     
    #124     Feb 27, 2004
  5. Mecro

    Mecro

    Un-fucking-believable,

    Well don't I feel like a complete asshole. Here I am reaching my short-term goal on consistently making 500-1000 day when there is group in SD where a new trader can come in and flip 5k blocks for 40K a month like it's a freaking joke. Pardon me if it sounds a bit absurd and shocking cause it certainly makes me feel like shit. Thanks for posting, it's wonderful to know that SMTH is working like it is 1999 although I still cannot figure out what in the world can possibly works so well short of a scam and obviously does not require years of experience. Makes experience, discipline, research, patience basically worthless when it's obvious I should go to SD and infiltrate this group for their magical style which sounds like heavy volume scalping although I have never heard of scalpers even coming close to making that type of money recentely, especially ones with 10 months experience. I've only seen scalpers die out, and being that I was taught/forced a scalping style, I've had to completely relearn a style on my own. But fuck that, what the hell was I thinking, my ass should have went to SD.

    Un-fucking-believable,

    Screw this, I'm going to get wasted and find a hot slut.

    P.S. You guys wanna come to NYC and start a group, you definitely let me know. I heard you need like 25K down, thats not a prob.
     
    #125     Feb 27, 2004



  6. this is a total and absolute lie. vic is successfully managing a substantial amount of capital while living a life you can only dream of.

    please don't comment on things you know nothing about.

    surfer :eek:
     
    #126     Feb 27, 2004
  7. The last thing I wanted to do was make you feel like shit. Believe it or not the only reason I posted anything to this thread was to let people know it is not hopeless.

    And for the record, we are talking about 2 months into the year. Who knows how everyone will end up in december. And like I have said three times now, this dude is an OUTLIER. You are absolutely right that it is not easy and a lot of people can't do it. Some people just see things and have a different temperament for a certain kind of style. He is kicking the crap out of me and I certainly have more experience than him. But hopefully I will catch up in the next few months.

    Plugging away for being net profitable is a very good thing. You are not wrong to be cautious right now. When the market picks up you will be a better trader for the discipline you obviously have. Like I said, it was not my intention to make anyone feel like crap. Point simply being that DT is not dead and things can only get better.

    Have a great time with drinking and good luck with the hot slut......one of these days I would love to get out to NYC.
     
    #127     Feb 27, 2004
  8. pretty noble stuff........

    your kicking my ass btw

    OTL
     
    #128     Feb 27, 2004
  9. MRDINKY.....That is an excellent article.........what did you, or anyone else take away from it?.......My feeling is the same.....I personally think we're in for a protracted decline in volume and volatility and that next month we'll be wishing for this month and so on and so on.....for what its worth i averaged over 1k a day this month as well, but am definitely agitated.
     
    #129     Feb 27, 2004
  10. Victor Niederhoffer’s Garage Sale
    By Robert Hunter

    Most people’s idea of a garage sale involves putting the valueless, kitschy items that accumulate in closets and basements over the course of decades onto the front lawn for quick sale. But what if you live in a 20,000-square-foot mansion in tony Weston, Conn., and you’re trying to sell a world-class collection of silver trinkets to keep creditors off your back? Putting a Podolian ox horn with Swedish silver mounts once owned by King Charles XV of Sweden on the lawn in the hopes of catching the attention of random passersby, after all, is clearly a sketchy proposition.

    For Victor Niederhoffer, famed hedge fund manager, five-time U.S. squash champion and author of the well-received The Education of a Speculator, the choice was simple: contact Sotheby’s, auction house of the gliterati. Niederhoffer’s $130 million funds blew up on October 27, 1997, when the Asian crisis spooked the U.S. equity market, wiping out all his capital. His prized silver collection quickly became part of the detritus. In order to pay down his debts, Niederhoffer took a mortgage on his estate and sold an interest in a small investment banking business for $1 million, but these steps were not enough to maintain even a modicum of the lifestyle to which he and his family had been accustomed. The result: the silver had to go.

    The auction took place last December 15 amid great fanfare. Sotheby’s had estimated the collection’s value at between $2.1 million and $3 million, and produced a lavish catalog to accompany the proceeding, which it dubbed “Symbol of Excellence.” The results, by all accounts, were satisfying: the auction netted Niederhoffer a cool $2.56 million. “The auction went off like clockwork—it was remarkably successful,” says Kevin Tierney, senior vice president in charge of silver at Sotheby’s. “It did the trick for him as well, I think.”

    Niederhoffer could not bear to watch the event in person—and understandably so. A number of the items held deep personal and historical significance. The top seller was a “massive silver sculptural group of victory” made for the Visconde De Figueiredo, a merchant and banker in Rio de Janeiro who played a major role in the overthrow of the Brazilian monarchy in 1889, which sold for $244,500 (see photo, next page). Runner up: a “monumental silver two-handled punch bowl,” designed in 1887 by Tiffany and Co. for the James Gordon Bennet Cup yacht race by James Gordon Bennett Jr., which sold for $145,500.

    Among the more modest, but no less meaningful, items in the collection was a tribute to a war horse named Old George, who suffered a horrific injury in the Battle of Waterloo and lived on for many years afterward. The piece, a Victorian silver gilt inkstand with two horse-hoof inkwells topped with a bullet (see photo, previous page), had a Latin inscription that translates roughly as “In memory of an exceptional war horse who in his youth received a grave wound at the Battle of Waterloo; you see here the bullet taken from his testicles at death and two of his hooves…”

    Niederhoffer’s collection, says Sotheby’s Tierney, was unique. “Victor was obsessed by talent and success. It was a personal thing in his life. As a young man growing up, he really proved himself, becoming a champion in squash—traditionally a conservative, Waspy sport. He reflected in his silver the idea that these items were given to mark a moment of remarkable achievement, and as a result, they themselves had to be of special quality. It was a two-pronged theme.”

    The December auction represented only part of Niederhoffer’s collection. Sotheby’s had been auctioning off bits and pieces of his holdings throughout 1998, and many more items will be presented in a sale of Chinese export silver later this year.



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    John Field’s Fall From Grace
    Most attorneys consider federal prosecutor jobs and high-level regulatory posts as worthy—and lofty—professional goals in their own right. But John Field III, a former U.S. attorney and top enforcement official at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, seems to have viewed his governmental experience as an ideal training ground for his ultimate calling: a life of crime.

    Field, a Nixon-appointed federal prosecutor from 1972–77 and CFTC head of enforcement from 1977–

    1980, pleaded guilty last December to a conspiracy charge in a Newark, N.J. U.S. District Court for his role in a series of boiler-room investment scams that cheated victims out of an estimated $200 million. Two weeks earlier, Field had pled guilty in a New Hampshire court to racketeering and money-laundering charges. Ensnared by federal prosecutors more than three years ago, Field agreed to cooperate with authorities and participate in an elaborate sting to nab boiler-room artists from California to South Carolina.

    In the scams for which Field and his cohorts were prosecuted, hapless investors were offered shares in bogus investments such as wireless cable systems and nonviolent television programming. Field admitted in District Court to drafting false documents in connection with the rip-offs and advising perpetrators on how to avoid regulatory trouble. He also acknowledged knowing at the time that, with sales commissions on the investments exceeding 40 percent, a mere 16 percent of investors’ money was being devoted to the sham corporations. It was also disclosed that one investment group paid Field a $1,500-a-week retainer, regardless of the amount of work he performed. “The scams were rigged from the start,” said Faith S. Hochberg, U.S. attorney for New Jersey. “The only ones who made money were the criminals.”

    The sting operation, meanwhile, was the stuff of Hollywood. The FBI and U.S. postal inspectors teamed up to create a fake foreign currency fund called Unex 2100, short for the United Currency Exchange Ltd., allegedly based in London. Marcus Dalton, one of Field’s associates and a career criminal who was once called a “true pioneer” in wireless cable scams by Forbes, had also agreed to cooperate with prosecutors for leniency, and he and Field enlisted crooked telemarketers to sell shares of the fund. The telemarketers’ prey turned out to be volunteers from the American Association of Retired Persons, who posed as willing investors. On December 15, 1998, FBI agents raided operations in California, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey, New York and South Carolina.

    Field’s fall from grace was gradual. In 1976, while serving as a federal attorney in Charleston, W.Va., he attempted to convict former Governor Arch Moore on fraud charges, and accused him of keeping some $200,000 of dirty money in a desk drawer. (Moore was later acquitted.) Field upheld his reputation as a tough prosecutor at the CFTC throughout his tenure. By the 1990s, however, Field’s decent had begun. In 1992, he withdrew his membership with the National Futures Association after the NFA charged that his McLean, Va.-based commodities firm had made “false and deceptive” statements to customers. In March 1998, Field and others were accused by a court-appointed collector of defrauding customers of some $35 million in a wireless cable scam.

    “I think what happens is a kind of occupational hazard,” Field’s attorney, Robert Fettweis, told the Washington Post last December. “A lawyer might stretch a bit over the line to help a client. Then he gets used to going over the line, and in order to cover up the fact that he went over the line, he goes a little further. Pretty soon, he looks back and, to his horror, the line is way back behind him.”

    Field faces a maximum sentence of 25 years and a $500,000 fine for the New Hampshire conviction, and five years and up to twice the total loss suffered by investors—put at $5 million to $10 million—for the New Jersey conviction, although his cooperation with authorities will likely reduce that penalty.



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    #130     Feb 27, 2004