nikkei poll

Discussion in 'Trading' started by man, Apr 16, 2003.

  1. kenokabe

    kenokabe Guest

    Nobody can predict future especially in the market, known fact.
    However, there is one fact we rarely and definitely can predict in Japan. Which is it is going to be a aging society, rapidly.
    I see a currency is not going to be strong in such a country.
    So, Yen is bear in super long trend, IMO.
     
    #11     Apr 18, 2003
  2. kenokabe

    kenokabe Guest

    #12     Apr 18, 2003
  3. Babak

    Babak

  4. NIKKEI IS DOOMED.
     
    #14     Apr 18, 2003
  5. man

    man

    Bluehorseshoe
    calls like 250 for the yen are very far out of my personal horizon. I think you are right with the Nikkei. But I think it is by far away from reality to compare the US economy and the Japanese - no matter how bearish one can be on the US market as such.


    peace
     
    #15     Apr 22, 2003
  6. I agree. The Japanese ministry doesn't want a 250 usd/jpy, it would cause an asian front war for crissakes! Can you imagine how China or Hong Kong would deal with this kind of cost explosion of doing business in Japan? CHina and other neighbors have already voiced displeasure with Japan's manipulative Forex policies. As a resident of Japan who makes regular forex transactions, I can tell you that a USD/JPY over 130 hurts pretty bad for exporters, a 200 USD/JPY would be on par with a financial meltdown. In fact, not many people hae notcied that the newly appointed MOF govenor has changed the weak yen policy to one of stabilize the yen, there is no need to work against the tide in the Forex market, no government, even the cash soaked Japanese, can hold back the dollar bears, they are on ALL fronts, not just on the JPY bulls.

    From a technical standpoint, Forex intervention has been an inveitable warning bell of huge counter moves to the governments intentions. Look at GBP, the DMK, even the formerly dollar locked THB. Deep pocketed speculators have made their fortunes on holding contra positions to the historically myopic finance ministers of these countries.

    I don't suspect this will be any different no matter how much rhetoric the MOF spins with their "get tougher" stance on reckless speculators buying yen without actually "investing" the funds in the Japanese infrastructure.

    And one more thing, no matter how hard MOF tries to devalue the yen, the market is two steps ahead "devaluing" the dollar every quarter for the past two years. Look at the DX future, IT is doomed. Its a race to the bottom, and I think the USD has a stronger downtrend than the Nikkei, its a baby trend, the NIkkei trend is getting old and weary, sub 7k will be a great buy op, but I don't trade the Nikkei, why bother? It is easily the most overtly manipulated low volume index in the world. It screams, "stay away from me, I am a pathetic arm of our withering MOF."

    So that's how I see it.
     
    #16     Apr 22, 2003
  7. man

    man

    I agree with most of what you said. A yen below 150 will force china to do something. and china's shere size is sooner or later finally becoming the dominant factor in asia (IMO).

    nevertheless the Nikkei is a tradeable asset. Not at least b e c a u s e of interventions.


    peace
     
    #17     Apr 22, 2003
  8. hey man! man!

    how would a small time trader approach trading the nikkei? buying shares of docomo and hope they don't collapse oneday? you can't short the shares, and who knows how or why they uptick. charts on the nikkei intraday are about as useful as the policeman in my building right now trying to plug a leaky faucet--I guess the repairman got the hell out of dodge a long time ago. trade the nikkei futures? yeah, right...

    I'm being only *slightly* ironic as there really is a policeman outside my building doing the plumbing.

    The intraday gyrations on the nikkei make as much sense as this circus outside my front door. Actually, I kind of appreciate the cops chivalry....
     
    #18     Apr 22, 2003
  9. man

    man

    I would not touch single japanese stocks. as you said -> futures. it is the only thing I am refferring to in this context.


    peace
     
    #19     Apr 22, 2003