NIH blocks access to genetic database if research enters forbidden territory

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ipatent, Oct 21, 2022.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    wrbtrader provided a link to the book Misbehaving Science which provides example after example of the inappropriate application of behavior genetics including the abuse of NIH data.
     
    #11     Oct 21, 2022
  2. I think eugenics gets a bad wrap, because of Nazi Germany. The stigma of being associated with them has carried over for the past 80 years. The Nazis discovered a lot of interesting things (even though a lot of it was through unethical practices) and much of what they did was pseudoscience rather than science to pursue a bullshit political agenda that wasn't based in science and led to the Holocaust. However, just because the Nazis were into the subject doesn't mean eugenics should broadly be painted as unethical. The Nazis also created the Autobahn and discovered that smoking was bad. America under slavery also discovered many things. Point is society needs to look at each issue objectively rather than making association fallacies.
     
    #12     Oct 21, 2022
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  3. ipatent

    ipatent

    The summary in his link wasn't altogether negative and didn't mention NIH data.
     
    #13     Oct 21, 2022
  4. ipatent

    ipatent

    We all practice eugenics on a micro scale when we search for a mate.

    In any event, the issue here is not eugenics, it's about access to databases that tie phenotypes to their genetic underpinnings. This threatens many liberal positions, including the nature/nurture debate on the origin of qualities such as intelligence.
     
    #14     Oct 21, 2022
  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    Oh really? So in your mind, we all search for mates that are the same race, skin-color, etc etc etc? Um, most people don't do that. When love strikes, all barriers are broken.

    That is a narrow, puerile comment.
     
    #15     Oct 21, 2022
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    you clearly haven't thought this through. Eugenics isn't merely racial of course but the ethical lines are still there. You start making super babies and only the well off will afford the latest "high iq", now you end up w/a bunch of wizards gatekeeping the tech and career paths while the poors get dumber. Look at Canadian immigration lottery for instance, it's "selective eugenics", it's how the west causes brain drain from around the world which remains fucked as their collective IQ continues to drop. Ethics is the reason we don't clone for organ vessels.

    Of course the suspicion is the Chinese haven't been observing these international norms so soon you'll kneel to your high IQ Chinese overlords. Welcome to the future you ask for.

    I can't believe people haven't seen Gattaca or Elyseum.
     
    #16     Oct 21, 2022
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  7. I strongly disagree. Eugenics evens the playing field. Two stupid parents will now be able to have kids with the smart genes. I think it will be more affordable than going through pregnancy.
     
    #17     Oct 21, 2022
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    You should make it part of your presidential run platform. Good luck
     
    #18     Oct 21, 2022
  9. Definitely going to bring it up! Was plan on making a video about it for a week or so now.
     
    #19     Oct 22, 2022
  10. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    There are positive eugenics and negative eugenics.

    Positive Eugenics

    Historically, positive eugenic measures have included promoting the idea that healthy, high-achieving people should have children, or have larger families; introducing institutions and policies that encourage marriage and family life for such people; and establishing sperm banks where eugenically desirable traits, such as intelligence, are criterial either for donors or are listed as present in the donor for users to consider in their choices.

    Negative Eugenics

    Typically, these measures have included immigration restriction based on putatively eugenically undesirable traits, including race, nationality, and ethnicity; discouragement or prohibition of marriage and family life for those with eugenically undesirable traits; and sexual segregation, sterilization, and euthanasia of those with such traits.

    The NIH has a problem with "negative eugenics" that's being abused by certain individuals, institutions, or research universities.

    https://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/tree/5233c3ac5c2ec50000000086

    In my opinion, not discussed enough is the fact that sperm banks are eugenics...a very popular form of eugenics.

    The DNA testing, phenology history, and medical history of donors are very extensive these days.

    wrbtrader
     
    #20     Oct 22, 2022