Niederhoffer thinks "follow the trend" sucks

Discussion in 'Trading' started by GloriaBrown, Jun 18, 2015.

  1. you are so out of your league its not even funny. You better reread Covel's book-- in which i am name checked-- to brush up on your trend trading knowledge. LMFAO!!
     
    #81     Jun 19, 2015
  2. Visaria

    Visaria

    Surf, how has Niederhoffer been doing in the last few years? Is he running money again? Do you know what his returns are? Just curious, not trolling.
     
    #82     Jun 19, 2015
  3. Hi,

    He is happily trading his own account and enjoying life. No idea as to performance, but he talks about his trading on his twitter feed. surf
     
    #83     Jun 19, 2015
  4. Visaria

    Visaria

    Ta, good for him.
     
    #84     Jun 19, 2015

  5. If its up, its going up-- if its down, its going down. Badaboom badabing.
     
    #85     Jun 19, 2015
  6. Butterball

    Butterball

    You realize that the risk profile of counter-trend trading and short puts is 100% identical? Both are short volatility and benefit from declining vol. Both get hurt if vol extends much farther than anticipated.

    There is absolutely nothing more risky in a short put strategy vs. buying dips in the underlying.
     
    #86     Jun 19, 2015
  7. MrN

    MrN

    Ok, here is a question to all the critics.. Why is it that Victor has taught more great 7,8,9, even 10 figure traders than almost anyone? Why is it that to this day he is one of the greatest futures traders in history? Why did a top hedge fund trader tell me, "He is the greatest non-automated futures trader alive?" All the critics can't explain this fact, they just look at 2 events in a very long career.

    He is an old man who has been trading for most of his life. I suggest that the critics learn some (dare I say it?) respect.
     
    #87     Jun 19, 2015
  8. MrN

    MrN

    The problem is that you are defining "trend" with hindsight - how what just happened impacted your account. To be useful you need to compute an expected value for the future, not look at the past. That is the issue.
     
    #88     Jun 19, 2015
  9. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

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    #89     Jun 19, 2015
  10. Butterball

    Butterball

    Trading is a lot like boxing. You're just as good as your last fight (or monthly return). Niederhoffer - in boxing terms - was knocked out like an amateur TWICE by absolute journeymen. That certainly is career damaging.

    Nobody cares with Niederhoffer was a great teacher. You don't win prices for that in capitalism.
     
    #90     Jun 19, 2015