Nice people have more debt and less savings

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by themickey, Oct 13, 2018.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    https://moneyish.com/heart/the-surprising-reason-nice-people-have-more-debt-and-less-savings/
    A new study reveals the financial implications of being too agreeable.
    There’s nothing nice about being broke.

    Being too nice can negatively impact one’s finances. Indeed, agreeableness — one of the five major personality traits that denotes a person who is warm, empathetic, trusting and caring — is related to economic struggles, according a new study published this week in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

    “We found that agreeableness was associated with indicators of financial hardship, including lower savings, higher debt and higher default rates,” said Dr. Joe Gladstone of University College London, who co-authored the study with Dr. Sandra Matz of the Columbia Business School. The study analyzed data collected from more than three million participants in online panels, a national survey, bank account data and publicly available geographic data.

    The reason nice people face financial hardship? Agreeable people don’t value money as much those who are less agreeable, the researchers found. “The way I like to think of it is, if you imagine a bunch of friends going to lunch, the agreeable person offers to pick up the check. Agreeable people are nice because they don’t care as much, and that’s why they end up having less savings or default on their loans,” social worker and professor Dr. Michelle Martin shared.

    Other studies have also suggested this idea. In 2011, researchers at the University of Notre Dame found that men who were nice, warm and cooperative earned 18% less than their disagreeable counterparts. For women however, the opposite proved true. Timothy Judge, co-author of the study, remarked on the double standard for women and the pay gap involved in being too nice. “The unfairness of it is that when women ask for more [money], they are more likely to have their motives questioned, which can neutralize some of the advantages. So, I think women must present their requests in a non-threatening, gentle but firm sort of way. In essence, the way women communicate their demands matters more than it does for men,” Judge wrote.

    And being too nice can compromise more than just finances — it can also affect the way that people are perceived. Earlier this year, Business Insider reported that some of the most common traits people associate with folks who are too nice are that: they’re boring; they get taken advantage of; they look suspicious; they’re not respected and they give up too much of their time, based on answers from respondents in a Quora forum.

    New York Times bestselling author Nicole Lapin, who wrote “Rich Bitch: A Simple 12-Step Plan for Getting Your Financial Life Together,” told Moneyish that she recommends that workers, “be kind to everyone, but also be fair. You can be kind during uncomfortable or hard conversations, but being sweet in business is like being a sweet parent — your coworkers, like your kid, will think you’re cool, but it won’t help them grow.”

    Dr. Gladstone points out that it’s not just adults who endure the repercussions of being too nice. Using survey data from a cohort study that followed people for 25 years, he found that when agreeableness was measured in childhood, it still predicted greater financial hardships later in life.

    Of course, there’s a fine line between being just plain nice and being too nice. “I’ve learned over the years that nice is good, but ‘too nice’ is not. ‘Too nice’ is the person who doesn’t like to ruffle feathers. ‘Too nice’ is the person who is afraid to set boundaries. Too nice is the person who is afraid to say no,” Dr. Martin wrote in the Huffington Post.

    So what can we do about it? Dr. Matz says that you don’t want to tell someone to “Care more about money!” Instead, she recommends explaining that while money might not matter to that one individual, it matters to their families and loved ones. “If you go into debt, if you default on a loan, that impacts you and your family,” Dr. Matz said. And because agreeable people like to help others and care about the feelings of others, you can leverage the root of agreeableness in this context.
     
  2. I feel that you can be nice and have the astuteness to say no to things, both at the same time
     
  3. R1234

    R1234

    I the nicest guy around but I have zero debt.
     
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  4. screw you, i'm nicer

    but i have a tad bit of debt
     
  5. JSOP

    JSOP

    Nice people have more debt and less savings

    -This title is wrong. It's "Uninformed and undisciplined people have more debt and less savings". Plenty of nice people manage their financial well-beings very well and have more savings than debt and many mean and evil people are broke.

    Picking up tabs for your friends for dinner once is being nice. Picking up tabs for your friends for dinner all the time to the point of landing in more debt than savings is being an undisciplined doormat, not being nice. This research is very misguided.
     
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  6. IAlwaysWin

    IAlwaysWin

    I don't think it was based off of any reliable sources anyhow.
     
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  7. sle

    sle

    Supposedly, it's based on this:

    Matz, S. C., & Gladstone, J. J (in press). Nice guys finish last: when and why agreeableness is associated with financial hardship. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

    Of course, the journalists might have perverted the findings (very probable) or the article contains bad science (less probable but still possible considering the prestige of the journal). I am not a specialist, but I'd imagine correlating something real (e.g. income or PNW) to something non-tangible (i.e. personality traits) introduces a lot of nuance that can be twisted depending on the bias of the authors. Until the actual paper can be read, I am not gonna bother believing it.