Newt just managed to spin the "open marriage" thing into a positive.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Max E., Jan 20, 2012.

  1. The media is 100 % correct in reporting the character of a man running for President
     
    #11     Jan 20, 2012
  2. Obama wont but Obamas media and super pacs certainly would
     
    #12     Jan 20, 2012
  3. Max E.

    Max E.

    Reporting on a persons character is one thing, dragging up some he said/she said story from a scorned ex wife is another thing, this story was something you would see on the front page of the tabloids in the check out lines at the grocery store, not something you should see in a presidential debate, there is all kinds of ways they can question him about his character, based on the fact he has been divorced 3 times, and cheated on his wife, which is verifiable this story is garbage.

    Perhaps the media should spend an entire day on whether or not Obama blew that Larry Sinclair guy in the back of a limo, both stories have about the same amount of proof, and the same amount of credibility, maybe they should throw that one out there in the first presidential debate. Even the guy at ABC who did the interview said that you should take it for what its worth since all it was is a claim from an ex wife who clearly hates Newt.

    Whats been lost in all this, and whats more important in my eyes, is the fact that a woman who clearly hates Gingrich still said he did nothing wrong in terms of the ethics violations when he was speaker, that was also in the piece that ABC did on Gingrich, and John King decided that wasnt worth while to bring up in the debate, but that doesnt sell newspapers now does it, anyone who thinks that the questionable story about the "open marriage" is more important than the story about his ethics violations is a drooling idiot.

     
    #13     Jan 20, 2012
  4. No, I don't think his people will either. Obama is the incumbent. His attacks cannot be beneath a certain level. No tabloid stuff from team Obama. The GOP has given plenty of ads to team Obama on the way Newt governs. That will be the angle of attack should they need it.

    I have to admit tho that I would love to see Newt and Obama go at it. That would almost be some pay per view stuff.:D
     
    #14     Jan 20, 2012
  5. Disagree

    Newts wife vs this guy

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11164.html


    Obama accuser has long rap sheet




    Larry Sinclair is wanted in Colorado, but you can catch him today at the National Press Club.

    Sinclair is familiar to political junkies and reporters as the source of outlandish allegations about Senator Barack Obama, tales that began with sex and drugs and moved on to murder.

    The Duluth, Minn., resident is the sort of figure who appears at the margins of every presidential campaign, and both Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton had their own obscure accusers with dramatic allegations. But as the old media ignores him, Sinclair has taken full advantage of the Internet, and a video in which he makes his claims that have been viewed more than 900,000 times on YouTube.
    This afternoon, he's reserved the Holeman Lounge at downtown Washington's National Press Club
    to try to lend his story the legitimacy that comes with national media attention.

    Sinclair's biography, though, may get in the way of that pitch: Public records and court filings reveal that he has a 27-year criminal record, with a specialty in crimes involving deceit. The record includes forgery charges in two states, one of which drew Sinclair a 16-year jail sentence. The Pueblo County, Colo., Sheriff's Office also has an outstanding warrant for Sinclair's arrest for forging an acquaintance's signature and stealing her tax refunds.

    "It is what it is," said Sinclair's spokesman, Montgomery Blair Sibley, of his client's criminal record. "He's not hiding from it, he's not denying it."

    Sinclair has, however, addressed elements of his criminal past on his own blog and in court filings punctuated by unusual spellings and capitalizations.

    Addressing the Pueblo County theft charges, Sinclair swore in a 2004 affidavit that his "ALLEGED VICTIM SEEKS TO USE DEFENDANT AS SCAPE GOAT FOR HER HUSBANDS AND BROTHERS PROBLEMS WITH MEXICAN DRUG DEALERS."

    Sinclair's affidavit, which he posted to his blog, accompanied a request to a Colorado judge to dismiss the warrant on the grounds that Sinclair was "disabled with [a] severe spine injury and nerve damage," that returning to Colorado would put his life in danger, and that he was "terminally ill."

    Sinclair, who is still alive, is 46, stands 5'7", and weights 168 pounds, according to arrest records. Colorado records list him with 13 aliases, including "Larye Vizcarra Avila" and "Mohammed Gahanan." His story has generally been ignored by the mainstream media, because he's been unable to substantiate his allegations. He has come to public attention recently, however, because his planned appearance at the National Press Club drew complaints from a wide array of prominent liberal bloggers, led by Firedoglake's Jane Hamsher. Their petition to prevent Sinclair from renting space at the club – which bloggers feared would lend him credibility – drew more than 11,000 signatures.

    Press Club President Sylvia Smith said Sinclair had rented space at the club, which doesn't censor speakers.

    "I'm not aware that we've ever turned anybody away for content," she said, adding that Sinclair's allegations "don't seem very credible."

    Politico isn't reprinting Sinclair's allegations because they are unsubstantiated.

    This February, the website Whitehouse.com reportedly offered Sinclair $100,000 if he could pass a polygraph test verifying his claims. He took them up on it, and the site said in a press release that the polygraph organizers said his results "indicated deception." Sinclair then suggested the polygraph's sponsors had been bribed to skew the results against him, an allegation his lawyer, Sibley, said he would expand on at his press conference.

    Sibley is best known as the lawyer for the "D.C. Madam," the late Deborah Jeane Palfrey. Earlier this year, the Florida Bar Association suspended Sibley's license to practice law, in part for being a "vexatious litigant," a suspension that applies in Washington, D.C., as well.

    Wednesday, Whitehouse.com has scheduled a competing press conference outside the National Press Club to discuss the results of the polygraph.

    Sinclair's brushes with the government long predate his recent interest in Senator Obama. The details of his criminal record surfaced after he filed a defamation suit in federal court in Washington, D.C., against three anonymous online critics with names like TubeSockTedD who had written, among other claims, that he was living in a mental institution at the time he allegedly met Obama. Sinclair denies the claim.

    In response to his suit, a lawyer for the anonymous bloggers hired local attorneys and private investigators, and dug up details of Sinclair's criminal record from Colorado, Florida, and South Carolina. The lawyer, Paul Levy of the nonprofit Public Citizen Litigation Group, provided his client's filings in federal court, which are publicly available, to Politico.

    The records tell the story of an itinerant life of small-time crime and bad checks, punctuated by stretches of jail time in two states.

    He was first arrested on a larceny charge in 1981 in Denver, according to his Colorado arrest record, as filed in federal court. In 1985, he was convicted of theft and of forging a check in Florida, and sentenced to a year in jail, according to Florida records filed in federal court.

    After the Florida episode, according to the records, he returned to Colorado, where he faced check fraud and credit card charges in 1986. Then, in 1987, he was convicted in Colorado on more serious forgery charges, and sentenced to 16 years in jail.

    In prison, according to state records filed in federal court, Sinclair was disciplined 97 times for infractions including assault, threats, drug possession, intimidation, and verbal abuse, most recently in
    1996.

    "He has not institutionalized well," a spokeswoman for the Colorado Department of Corrections, Liz McDonough, told the Denver Post in 1996 after a month-long Sinclair hunger strike. She said he had served time in prisons in Buena Vista, Delta, Limon and Canon City before being transferred to the state's maximum security penitentiary in 1993.

    In the summer of 1996, according to Colorado's state court database, he began proceedings to formally change his name from LA Rye Viz. Avila to Larry Wayne Sinclair. By 1999, according to a mention in a local newspaper, he was out of jail and living in Pueblo, Colo.

    The Public Citizen investigator in Colorado stated that Sinclair's outstanding legal troubles there appear to date from 2001, and that Sinclair's effort to convince the judge in 2004 to dismiss those charges failed. The Pueblo County Sheriff's website, which pictures Sinclair under the word "Wanted," cites felony theft and forgery charges.

    Sinclair was also arrested and charged with disorderly conduct in South Carolina last September, according to state records filed in federal court.

    Sinclair has said that he tried to contact Obama in 2007 to discuss his claims and was ignored, forcing him to go public. On January 18, 2008, a one-minute-and-42-second video was posted to YouTube. It features Sinclair, speaking in a high voice and wearing a red shirt and blue baseball cap, reciting his allegations and addressing Obama.

    "I challenge you to take a polygraph test," he says in the video.

    Since then, he's promoted and elaborated on his claims, and engaged in intense online exchanges with infuriated Obama supporters on his blog and in federal court, where Sinclair and Sibley's defamation claim has suffered a series of legal setbacks.

    Obama's spokesman declined to comment on any aspect of Sinclair's story, or his appearance at the press club.

    Despite the warrant for Sinclair's arrest, he appears likely to stay out of jail, as long as he stays out of Colorado. Pueblo County Undersheriff J.R. Hall said that the warrant doesn't allow for extradition from out of state.

    "I doubt very seriously we're going to be in that jurisdiction tomorrow," Undersheriff Hall said of Washington, D.C.
     
    #15     Jan 20, 2012
  6. Disagree.The left and the media will stoop as low as they have to to assure Obamas re election imo.They wont hold back anything

    Obamas attacks wont be below a certain level because he / his campaign wont be making them
     
    #16     Jan 20, 2012
  7. That makes her more credible imo.

    If she hated him so much to make up lies she could have lied about that and other things as well
     
    #17     Jan 20, 2012
  8. There is a floor if you are the incumbent. You won't see, "I'm Barrack Obama and I approved this message" on any tabloid stuff. It is un-Presidential. So the super-pacs are out.

    Now, msnbc might, and CNN will, seeing as that Newt bit them last night.

    Only ten states or so will be in play this year. They will want to hear about jobs and the recovery effort.

    Newt IS right in that Mittens time at Bain will kill him in the rust belt. Without Ohio, Penn, and Mizzou, the GOP can forget it.
     
    #18     Jan 20, 2012
  9. Max E.

    Max E.

    You have probably never had a girlfriend, let alone pissed off ex-girlfriend/wife if you actually believe that they have much more credibility then a felon in a battle of he said/she said, during a divorce/breakup. Women, and men for that matter make up all kinds of things in a divorce to make themselves look good and the other person look worse. There is no way that a conversation which supposedly took place between ex-husband and wife 15 years ago which is unverifiable should have made it into a presidential debate. Period. That is tabloid garbage.

     
    #19     Jan 20, 2012
  10. Max E.

    Max E.

    Thats why it will atleast be fun if Newt wins, he is going to run a scorched earth campaign the way that he is in the Republican primary. He wont win, but he will atleast bring up the alot of the issues conservatives have had with Obama over the last 4 years, and he will burn the whole thing to the ground on his way out, and show what scumbags all of these politicians are, on all sides.

    The first time they ask Gingrich about his ex-wives i would love to hear him turn it and ask why the media doesnt question Obama about his ties to convicted felons like Rezko, Blago, and Ayers, which is much more troubling in my eyes.

     
    #20     Jan 20, 2012