New to options but have a few questions...please help

Discussion in 'Options' started by Thestuff7863, Apr 15, 2020.

  1. .sigma

    .sigma

    The counter-party is some secret algo machine hiding within a black box in Northern, New Jersey. lol
     
    #11     Apr 16, 2020
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  2. .sigma

    .sigma

    But to the OP,

    Instead ditch the shares and use that capital to buy a higher strike OTM call on top of the sold one, creating a vertical, up the lots, and you'll make way more money than any CC.
     
    #12     Apr 16, 2020
  3. cvds16

    cvds16

    the explanation about sell to close is wrong. You open a buy to open first and later close that with a sell to close. With a covered call it's an sell to open first, if you want to close that position it's a buy to close.
     
    #13     Apr 16, 2020
  4. JBuck

    JBuck Guest

    Sounds like you're asking about selling a covered call. I recommend that you look at the following educational information:

    CBOE
    http://www.cboe.com/strategies/beginner/equity/covered-calls-strategy/part1

    http://www.cboe.com/framed/pdfframe...title=Who+Should+Consider+Using+Covered+Calls

    Investopedia
    Options & derivatives trading options trading strategy & education
    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/coveredcall.asp

    To answer your question, if the short call expires in-the-money the call writer can expect assignment. No matter how high MJ has risen, the investor is obligated to sell his shares at the strike price so the upside profit potential on the shares is capped. However, the investor keeps the option premium received and will realize the position's maximum profit calculated in advance. Any dividends received before expiration would increase this profit amount.

    Best

    J B
     
    #14     Apr 16, 2020
  5. ironchef

    ironchef

    I never paid attention to dividend risks. I always thought they were priced in?
     
    #15     Apr 16, 2020
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  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    OK, the owner of the black box has a wife, two kids and a Ferrari. :D
     
    #16     Apr 16, 2020
  7. .sigma

    .sigma

    I’m not saying you need to pay attention, most people don’t and can still successfully sell covered calls all day. I’m just saying having an understanding that dividend risk exists and how dividends alter options value.

    I used to think of options as the hard to understand and complicated concept in finance (and granted it is difficult) and I used to think of stock as binary and boring, not much “thought”. But I’m realizing even stock shares can be very complicated and how dividends and liquidity is priced into the value of shares and what not. Option Theory is a great book that discusses the intricacies of options as well as stock.
     
    #17     Apr 16, 2020
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  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thanks for your reply. You are a good person. :thumbsup:

    I was just sharing my approach, paying forward.

    I am kind of unconventional. I understand the general principles of what goes into the option price but I don't have the tools to figure out the nuances of the price. Therefore I let the market price it for me.

    My focus is really at a macro level assessing, at the ending of the time period, what is the probability the spot will be > or < what i paid for. This simplified the problem for me allowing a newbie to trade options without understanding the math and statistics. In this past decade, the market underpriced the upside, usually by a mile.

    Have a good day.
     
    #18     Apr 17, 2020
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  9. .sigma

    .sigma

    I’ve read many of your posts, you are extremely modest and humble. You definitely are knowledgeable and I learn a lot from your posts, and one great thing is you ask a lot of good questions to smart traders that expands even more wisdom. So thanks iron!
     
    #19     Apr 17, 2020
  10. If you are asking this question here, you should not be even considering trading options until you educate yourself further. There are plenty of free resources online and most brokers offer training courses. Personally, I think selling covered calls is a poor strategy, but it can work. I'm sorry to be harsh, but I've been there. You are only going to loose money and maybe a lot more than you are comfortable with if you don't take it upon yourself to study.
     
    #20     Apr 19, 2020
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