Thanks, Gene, I always like levity in a thread that's getting a little tense. Like L&W, VB keeps commissions competitive but adds value in other ways. We choose to add value by increasing a trader's profits through development rather than finding new ways to slice the commission dollar. As far as ECN's, VB is still mainly a listed trading firm. I am most interested in anything the ECN's can do to truly compete with the NYSE. I don't hold out much hope, though. As Don Bright said in a post earlier, the NYSE does a phenomenal job, and I think the ECN's have their work cut out for them in grabbing part of the NY pie.