New invention for the derivatives market - How to profit of it?

Discussion in 'Options' started by thecoder, Aug 17, 2020.

  1. ph1l

    ph1l

    So your invention is a mathematical model like
    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/blackscholes.asp
    And this model would be considered a new financial instrument that you see exchanges creating a market for buyers and sellers of the model? Isn't that concept similar to cryptocurrencies?
     
    #31     Aug 17, 2020
  2. You can patent a financial product or a process but there is almost no recourse if someone creates an effectively identical product. For example, MIAX Spikes is a VIX clone that uses SPY options for calculation and V2X is identical to VIX but uses Stoxx50 index options.

    In any case, the success of a financial product rarely depends on the innovative concept but rather on finding clients. Considering that OP comes across as a complete crank (e.g. he was arguing how "BS delta is wrong and his delta is better" without actually understanding what delta is all about), he will likely get laughed at wherever he goes with this invention.
     
    #32     Aug 17, 2020
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  3. xandman

    xandman

    #33     Aug 17, 2020
  4. guru

    guru


    Guys, just keep in mind that Robert Mercer was mocked the same way, for not knowing and not understanding anything about how scientists analyze speech. Then he proved to all of them they they’re full of crap and that he doesn’t need to understand any of their terminology and “science”, then created speech recognition approach that beat them all, got an award from those same people that mocked him, then went on and cracked the stock market to become a billionaire. While everyone else is still staring at their silly Greeks and can’t make money :)
     
    #34     Aug 17, 2020
  5. Yeah, one in ten thousand cranks turn out not to be cranks. Somehow I suspect that TheCoder falls among the 9999, not the one.
     
    #35     Aug 18, 2020
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  6. Both myself and Kevin come from academic backgrounds before moving to finance. I have, over the years, worked with plenty of failing as well as successful traders/PMs (and pretty sure Kevin has too). So we have a reasonable clue on how to distinguish cranks from geniuses.
     
    #36     Aug 18, 2020
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  7. I was an exotics derivative structurer for 15+ years (IR, hybrids, credit). Trust me you have nothing new (by the fact you mention BSM, Prehistoric in terms on how derivative traders value financial instruments.) Banks don't give away their models and the one's in J Hull are long dated, in fact its hard as shit to pinch them when you move to another bank , and yes that’s why you get head hunted


    Also you have it wrong, the USA market in terms of derivatives is nothing like Europe and Asia, it never was. Derivatives markets have been pretty much dead in the last ten years anyway. BSM is fundamentally flawed, far too simplistic but has become standard practice over the years to set some form of pricing benchmark. Similar to the way LIBOR was an international standard rate yet price meant little to an actual trader, they price of cash markets using forwards & futures using credit spreads, not libor / Euribor.


    What is traded on Exchanges in term of complexity pales in comparison to the OTC market, so the point is that there are plenty of better more sophisticated approach’s available it just that exchanges haven't taken them up yet, and they have no need to. The impetus after 2008 and the credit crash was to make things simpler not more complicated, Regulations took care of that .
     
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    #37     Aug 18, 2020
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  8. Well, in fairness, a lot of that stuff made a comeback in the last year just in time to blow up a bunch of funds during the corona crash.
     
    #38     Aug 18, 2020
  9. There are dozens of types of options. There are unusual to very strange derivatives traded in the OTC market. Any quant in a bank can flex a bit his mental muscles and come up with a novel derivative.

    The problem is not coming up with new stuff, problem is selling it. There's a ton of instruments sold and not like exchanges, banks, brokers and gambling houses aren't constantly trying to come up with something new.

    Best you can do, put up $100,000 in license fees and start your own brokerage as a gambling business. Pay $2500 / month in fees to be allowed to use S&P 500 as underlier, advertise your instrument and keep your fingers crossed that enough people get interested so you get enough volume to at least break even. Oh, and you need to market make the instrument too, noone's gonna do it for you at least in the beginning, so put a couple $100ks for that too.
     
    #39     Aug 18, 2020
  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    welcome back.
     
    #40     Aug 18, 2020
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