New invention for the derivatives market - How to profit of it?

Discussion in 'Options' started by thecoder, Aug 17, 2020.

  1. Overnight

    Overnight

    Did you ever pause and think that maybe there really is no problem with the current model, and you are trying to reinvent a wheel that works fine as it is? Trying to find a solution to a problem that does not exist usually leads nowhere.
     
    #201     Aug 23, 2020
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  2. thecoder

    thecoder

    Come on, nobody would try to solve a problem if he/she is not convinced there is one.
     
    #202     Aug 23, 2020
  3. Overnight

    Overnight

    Well, if for anything, I'll say this about you. You're persistent.
     
    #203     Aug 23, 2020
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  4. thecoder

    thecoder

    Could someone please fill out this table:
    Code:
    LS: Long Stock
    SS: Short Stock
    LC: Long Call
    SC: Short Call
    LP: Long Put
    SP: Short Put
    
    Combinations (of Synthetics):
      LS + SS =
      LS + LC =
      LS + SC = SP
      LS + LP = LC
      LS + SP =
    
      SS + LC = LP
      SS + SC =
      SS + LP =
      SS + SP = SC
    
      LC + SC =
      LC + LP =
      LC + SP = LS
    
      SC + LP = SS
      SC + SP =
    
      LP + SP =
    ---
    total 15 combinations of 2 possible
    
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2020
    #204     Aug 24, 2020
  5. #205     Aug 24, 2020
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  6. thecoder

    thecoder

    #206     Aug 24, 2020
  7. Are you actually asking for someone to fill out the entry for "long stock" + "short stock?"
     
    #207     Aug 24, 2020
  8. thecoder

    thecoder

    I just wonder:
    Why should one buy a Stock if one instead can get the synthetic version of it even for free (!) by Selling a Put and Buying a Call (with same params) ! :)

    Same with the synthetic version of Short Stock!

    Cf. table below with the Synthetics.

    Here's also proof that it indeed is costless, ie. a free lunch! :) See column "Debit/Credit = 0" :

    Ie. you get something for free. It can gain in value or lose in value. But if it loses then you have to pay the losses...
    Is this the right interpretation? IMHO yes.
     
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    #208     Aug 24, 2020
  9. thecoder

    thecoder

    Nope, all clear now. Here's the full table:
    Code:
    LS: Long Stock
    SS: Short Stock
    LC: Long Call
    SC: Short Call
    LP: Long Put  
    SP: Short Put
    
    Combinations (of Synthetics):
      LS + SS = (neutral nonsense)
      LS + LC = (like a LS #1)  
      LS + SC = SP
      LS + LP = LC
      LS + SP = (like a LS #2)
    
      SS + LC = LP
      SS + SC = (like a SS #1)
      SS + LP = (like a SS #2)
      SS + SP = SC
    
      LC + SC = (neutral nonsense)
      LC + LP = (like a "V")
      LC + SP = LS     BUT: this is even a free lunch! :-)
    
      SC + LP = SS     BUT: this is even a free lunch! :-)
      SC + SP = (like an "A", ie. inverse of "LC + LP")  
    
      LP + SP = (neutral nonsense)
    ---
    total 15 combinations
    
    s.a. https://tickertape.tdameritrade.com/trading/synthetic-options-strategies-15457
    
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2020
    #209     Aug 24, 2020
  10. thecoder

    thecoder

    I now analyzed this, and @Kevin Schmit, and your above re-formulation of his objection, is right. Unfortunately.
    Also the 2nd objection of @Kevin Schmit is true.
    Hmm. too bad... Game Over! :-(
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2020
    #210     Aug 24, 2020