I hear ya, Now I am probably one of the most unsuccessful channel traders still surviving, but when you figure all the time I've spent studying them, I probably only lose about minimum wage per hour. But no doubt about it, there are certain days when certain lines are crossed without even a moments hesitation. I was just thinking about that. If you pick up an idea roaming this site, and fit it in to your plan, maybe it only makes you a couple of points a year, but over ten years times how many contracts, that is pretty good pay. Don't forget to share the wealth when you hit one. And if it doesn't work out, now you know, I had nothing to do with this. It's all inandlongs fault.