New IB Commissions for High Volume Stock Traders

Discussion in 'Events' started by Steve_IB, Dec 31, 2005.

  1. what is the max leverage at IB on a retail acct? 4-1?? there will still be a niche for prop shops that provide massive leverage, 30:1 and higher....
     
    #31     Dec 31, 2005
  2. WHOA -- hold on -- where do they offer futures and options on FOREX?????
     
    #32     Dec 31, 2005
  3. Although it's a step in the right direction, im disappointed that IB didnt offer a fixed per-ticket commission and pass-thru ECN charges/rebates like all other firms that i know of do (RML, Genesis etc.) I don't see how IB can justify charging an unbundled per-share base commission (0.0035/share under 300K) since they are now passing through the ECN charges to the client. When it was all-inclusive, i can understand that they charge 0.005 per share to cover their costs for the worst case (ie taking liquidity from the highest-charging ECN), but now that ECN charges are passed through to the client, why does IB still need to charge a per-share base commission? Adding liquidity traders can still get significantly better deals elsewhere (ie fixed per-order commission and ECN pass-thru). I hope IB will soon offer a fixed per-order commission and pass-thru ECN charges/rebates to give the adding liquidity traders a real deal, and i invite IB or anyone else to offer an explanation of the logic as to why they still charge per-share commission while passing through ECN rebates/charges to the client. Happy New Year to all...

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    #33     Dec 31, 2005
  4. DOH!!! I think you meant "FOREX <b>,</b> futures <b>,</b> and options". Here I was hoping they offered options on FOREX.....
     
    #34     Dec 31, 2005
  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    from above "I don't see how IB can justify charging an unbundled per-share base commission (0.0035/share under 300K) since they are now passing through the ECN charges to the client"

    IB is a private co. they don't have to "justify" anything to you or anyone else.
     
    #35     Dec 31, 2005
  6. Steve IB....

    Is it possible to get a previous months trading with your company analyzed reflecting your new charges to get an idea of approx what the costs would be for the future.

    I know i can simply wait for January to end to find out,but goddamn it i`m excited to find out now how much i would save:)
     
    #36     Jan 1, 2006
  7. alanm

    alanm

    Quote from vhehn:
    that nyse clause is for automated systems that enter and cancel a large number of orders automatically. an example would be a enveloping system that followed the stock price up or down.


    What it's actually for is this: The NYSE charges $0.01/share for any limit orders that are on the book for more than 5 minutes. Obviously, at $0.005/share (or less), this would be a real loser for IB if someone did it routinely.
     
    #37     Jan 2, 2006
  8. i'm sure if one uses ib's smart limit order for a nyse stock there's no charge
     
    #38     Jan 2, 2006
  9. alanm

    alanm

    Quote from LordMelbury:
    So at the moment i am doing about 1,500,000 per month which would cost me $7500 per month( i do a minimum of 1000 shares per trade).

    What would 1,500,000 per month(traded thru nyse) cost me now?


    First 300K shares * 0.0035 = $1050
    Next 1.2M shares * 0.002 = $2400
    SEC fee ~= 750K * $53 * 0.0000307 = $1220

    Total ~= $4670 (~$0.0031/share)

    Note that the SEC fee is on sales only, and the rate has gone down. Also, I used '~' because the total is rounded up to the nearest penny on each trade, so it depends very slightly on the number of trades (probably an extra $3.75 per month if you did 750 trades :) ).

    This also assumes that your orders do not rest on the NYSE book for more than 5 minutes, or you will incur the huge $0.01/share specialist charge.
     
    #39     Jan 2, 2006
  10. alanm

    alanm

    Quote from joeyata1:
    i'm sure if one uses ib's smart limit order for a nyse stock there's no charge


    I doubt that. SMART limit orders generally get routed to NYSE last time I checked.
     
    #40     Jan 2, 2006